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Bullied out of their dream? If they can't take criticism and disregard trolls and idiots, then that is their problems.
Bullied out of their dreams my ass.
You would never make much money from modding. The time invested to this is too much for you to make any profit especially as they would get only a tiny percentage of it.
Unless people would start massively buying small easy to make silly mods or something while not having any alternative on Nexus... I don't see that happening either.

The best way is to make a plan, do mods, make people follow you for your quality and ask for instance to donate to a patereon or something for your future projects while clearly state what you are working on and present frequent updates for people to know you are really working on it.
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I've seen a few people agree with you FavoredSoul, and the one think that caught my attention is all the guesstimates (guessed estimates) at how big the bad users vs the good ones are. I've even seen someone say "2% of the users is nice!". Ridiculous, I say.

Unless anyone can come up with cold hard facts about how many toxic users there are vs nice ones, all this talk about how bad the community is in its entirety is all based on personal experience.

In my honest opinion, FavoredSoul, I feel like you've yet to learn that you don't have to care about what anybody says and asks/demands.
Yes, it took me some time to learn too with the necessary blood sweat and tears, albeit not under pressure of rude people. I learned that as soon as something that has to do with modding makes me uncomfortable I just stop. I stop, take a breath, go do something else for as long as I need. I mean this in reference to public modding, for me I sometimes just go back to modding just for myself if I don't want to deal with public modding stuff anymore.

That has saved me a lot of head aches.

As for user experience as a mod author... I can say with pure honesty that my experience with Nexus users has been absolutely phenomenal. From people commenting on the mod page to people PMing me.
People have always been very polite and understanding. Sometimes when I read a big request in my inbox I sighed and wondered if this person realized what an undertaking it would be to fulfill that request. Then I realized I can simply tell them and be done with it, and people have always been very patient and understanding.

I don't know what you've had to endure, FavoredSoul, but as far as personal experiences go I can say with certainty that not every mod author has had to endure the same things as you have, nor have the same experience with users.

My experience with Nexus users has been quite positive. I refuse to join the bandwagon blindly and let all the negativity pile up.

It's been scientifically proven that we, at least in the Western civilization, have a tendency to remember negativity a lot better than positivity (Read the Negativity Bias paragraph on this page). Also, strongly-opinionated people will always have a louder voice on the internet.
Do you see where I'm going with this?

Somebody who can't deal with negativity and pressure from others yet, simply isn't gonna last in "the spotlights".

I'd like to invite you and others reading this to go to FavoredSoul's Ultimate Assortment mod page and check out the first three pages of comments. There's a lot of positivity in there. I've seen people with a question first take the time to show their appreciation before continuing. That's saying something.

My take on paid mods? I'd rather not have them. If you really want to know why I'll go drag my opinion about it from my tumblr, but for now I'd like to leave it at this. Edited by Seren4XX
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As a relatively new TES fan (I discovered Skyrim a few years ago), this news is relieving. Valve/Bethesda should've known better than to push this on a decade old community where there never was an expectation of earnings. The conflicts don't end there. If they truly wanted to consider the customer's side, they could've tested the waters with a donate button. There really is no discussion when you simply go willy-nilly without thinking of the ramifications. I don't feel sorry for either party.
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I too feel sorry for Bethesda, and the poor souls who spearheaded the idea. I feel like this whole thing could have been avoided if they just got in touch with their own community to see how they fealt BEFORE investing time and money into it, and surprising us with it. A simple "Hey, we are thinking about doing XYZ, what do you guys thing about it and how can we make it work?" would have gone a LONG way.
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The only thing I can see is: We won. I feel joy. The destruction has stopped. But we should be vigilant, because pandoras box was openend this weekend.

 

Another thing for you: Make your donation system easier. I do not like to fill out every field, only for donating "pocketchange" from my paypal account to another. It is too much, a hassle, so I don't do it. The name and email address is sufficient.

 

Additionally I am not willing to give more info.

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I believe there are people at Bethesda and Valve who tried to do this for the entirely right reasons.

 

But I also believe there were people at both that were doing it for the wrong reasons.

 

It's why we were left in the situation where a system was introduced that satisfied no one and upset many.

 

I am all behind the ideas of modders getting money from their creations if their mods are good enough, but the system Valve tried to introduced was so flawed on so many levels that it had no chance; Hopefully a system can be found in the future.

 

Lets just hope there is a hell of a lot more communication with the actual community next time.

 

To the Dark0ne:

 

I hope you do release your concluding blog piece, I dont think its a case of beating a dead horse, its about getting as many informed opinions out there as possible.

 

Indeed I hope it isn't a concluding piece but the start of a greater conversation where the community, Bethesda and Valve find some common ground, its easy to forget there were pros to what was happening, just lost in a system of cons.

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When you're done with that crystal ball I'd love to see next weeks lottery numbers, thanks.

"Bullied out of their dream" may be a tad dramatic for this but it's more or less on point, this is not a scenario where having thicker skin saves you, there were instances of mod authors being harassed to the point of deleting accounts and a hate mob that completely stripped away the possibility of anyone else pursuing an option that had been made available to them.

I sincerely doubt anyone was expecting to make a living off of this, but an extra bit of cash from extra work you do, yes, work, even though we're all I assume, here because we enjoy it, it is work we are doing is hardly an unacceptable concept is it?
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Don't know what hate you could of ever got your work is amazing your in my top 3 fav modders of all time along with Chesko, and Grace Darkling.
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