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Thanks Wightmage! Keep the message going!

To be clear, I'm not mad that I didn't get a thanks for donating, I'm not entitled to a thanks. I'm just saying, it makes the donator feel really good about donating to know it is appreciated. I can't know if the modders who don't respond are ungrateful, I would highly suspect that they are grateful (unless there are modders out there literally sitting on Scrooge McDuck piles of money, which I doubt).

Anyways, let's keep the movement for raising donation awareness going!

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Look up the Sims 2 community. That's been posted quite a few times on this news thread alone, so I'll let you take the heavy lifting.

There's also the DMCA's that hit Isoku's mods prior to the removal of the paid system to consider.
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Bumping for the Aesop that everyone needs to realize.
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Well said. Thank YOU.
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@Dark0ne - you need to figure out how to recognize people who donate. You have "premium" and "supporter" for those who support the site. People who donate to a mod author should get recognized as well. Edited by jbvertexx
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@wolverknight or whatever

The fact that I have a stronger argument than you doesn't mean that I need to "calm down".

And the fact that I've stopped wasting my energy on trying to make lost causes see reason doesn't mean that I have given up the fight.

And finally, the fact that you've purposefully name dropped me in order to fuel your sociopathic need to fan fires on the internet and draw me back into your flawed and artistically bankrupt arguement doesn't mean that I will do so.

You and everyone else who shares your hardline ignorant, self-entitled stance on for-profit amateur modding are of no further concern to me, and your ilk continuing to be sore losers on a point you yourselves don't even understand is far more damaging to the community at large than not getting paid for retexturing Alvor's apron.

And whether you like it or not, THAT is the final word. Edited by phantompally76
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Many of us smell that same rat..

But I have to give it to Foster, who is still here discussing and explaining her position...while conceding some side issues, her main point as I understand it is simply that WE don't have the right to tell her or FavoredSoul or the SKYUI team or any MODDER that they can't make money from their mods.

Getting sued, fair market compensation..that's still NOT our call.

Opinions over Greed, good faith...that's just people trying to cling to a system that had NO options for modders.

And if you're a modder who would never consider charging, then that's your values and your position...It doesn't make it wrong to believe differently.

It's Their decision.
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Sorry xbi on this one you dont know how the world works . Those million dollar lawyers these two companies have did think about this , thats why they had the modders contractually obligated to be the ones to be providing support for the mods and not themselves . That way if something goes wrong there would be only the modder that a plaintiff could go after . Your right they did think about this and they covered their own asses but not the modders . Thats how the world works.

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retnav98 wrote: She already got it handed to her in the thread you're pulling this post from...C'mon man...

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foster xbl wrote: In all honesty, no one I going to pursue legal action of any kind, over a CTD. This aspect of the debate, is pointless. Tell me you would invest your time/resource to sue me over a CTD (which is the true worest case scenario btw, concerning incompatibility) that was PROVEN (Who says it was my mod that was the incompatible one and not the other one) to be cause by my $5 hose armor.
I mean really, the week before this started the Mortal Kombat X issue popped up, did we see courts filling to sue NR studios or Valve?
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sunshinenbrick wrote: If its the kind of bottomless pit economics that one is after, eat your heart out. Not everyone's cup of tea though.
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lereddit wrote: Not over a CTD, over false advertising. You as an author would be legally obliged to find out all incompatibilities, if you fail to do so and thereby fail to deliever the product I ordered I have every right to sue you.

Of course I wouldn't sue over stuff like this, I'd demand a refund immediately. Someone with more money could sue you. And then you're having a serious problem
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foster xbl wrote: "Not over a CTD, over false advertising. You as an author would be legally obliged to find out all incompatibilities, if you fail to do so and thereby fail to deliever the product I ordered I have every right to sue you.

Of course I wouldn't sue over stuff like this, I'd demand a refund immediately. Someone with more money could sue you. And then you're having a serious problem "

unless.....they were offered the same refund?
As they were allowed to do?

But fair enough, I admit I am not a legal expert.
You guys may be right on this issue.
I'll completely and fully admit I don't know anything about how t would've worked in the
absolute worst case scenario. I just keep thinking though, this would be less than any measurable percent.
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sunshinenbrick wrote: We will fight your rights, that what this community should stand for. We are all part of this together, what affects one will affect others.

Right now I'm off to the pub! Wish I could take y'all with me to put the world to rights :)

L8r dudes and dudettes.
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lereddit wrote: A refund would settle this, but someone may not accept a refund because he is so pissed that he wants to sue you.

This is some serious grasping for straws from my side btw, something like this is very unlikely to happen. What's more likely is a modder uploading something that doesn't resemble his description at all.

User reviews were disabled on the workshop until you bought the mod, so you couldn't really know whether you bought the real deal or a scam.

User protection was pretty shitty, paired with the 25% means that both sides were screwed over by Valve/Bethesda.
No problem with Patreon as an alternative method of financing modder's efforts, but this deal HAD to be cancelled, since absolutely every side of the community was being exploited.
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retnav98 wrote: Foster,


Clearly there was a different attitude toward potential legal issues or Valve and Bethesda's "Million Dollar Lawyers" wouldn't have bothered to divest themselves of the legal responsibility.
Valve chose to treat those who asked for immediate refunds as disruptive...they locked people out from being able to buy for a week...that policy wasn't benefitting modders. It was another move to eliminate loss due to "Buyer's remorse..Mod incompatibility or w/e the purchaser had for breakfast that caused them to reconsider their purchase.

You know Good and well that STEAM is a DAYCARE...and you had to figure that they would Unleash 'BOB and throw fits. You know more than how the REAL WORLD works..you know how that world works...So why did you believe this was ever going to work?


I'll second Sunshine's question from the original thread, " Do you support this Business Model"?
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foster xbl wrote: Are you asking if I supported the paid workshop as it was?
If so I tell it to you straight
I do not know, as I never took part in it, I have no idea how it would've worked given the chance. All I have access to is the information that I could find on it from the outside.

Now to be more blunt. Yes I fully supported the concept. Feel free to dig through my post, I openly still support the concept. The percentages as they were....I have to say yes, I personally think they were "close" to fair.
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lereddit wrote: That's not fair at all.

Imagine a big project being sold for 30$ (not unrealistic, look how big Enderal will be), then the creators get 7,50$ per unit.

And they would still have to split the profits within their team.

No....just no.
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foster xbl wrote: sorry, I don't agree on this.
yes 25% sounds bad... it does
but what are my costs to make it vs Valve/Bethesda's to make/host it?
and I said "close"
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retnav98 wrote: I fully support your right to sell your talents and your products...And I regret not seeing your side of the arguement better four days ago.

Valve and Bethesda say they wanted to expand the means to support Modders. Taken with the STEAM User agreement that essentially says, anything you post here is OUR PROPERTY...means there must have been a different legal agreement for a PAY modder.
Allowing you to sell your talents at 25 cents on the Dollar while being tethered to that mod and all of the potential bugs or incompatibilities doesn't seem to be equitable to ME...but its your choice... If you as the author are thorough in your work and patient with users.and people willing to pay abound...all is rosy.

But let's say the guy buying doesn't have TES5Edit Just bought his copy of Skyrim for 9.99...and is just lost.

You, who spent 9 hrs at work dealing with a distribution fowl up that would've cost you your weeks profit if not resolved, must now contend with the same idiocy you've had to with in the past...except NOW these people DEMAND your attention because they spent 49c. You lay into him like he tried to take your BIRTHDAY.

NOW you got a problem on your hands because you defamed him and he's suing for pain and suffering to the tune of $5,000.00.
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Wolvenlight wrote: Perhaps it might behoove people to look into the percentage's of writers vs publishers, or singers vs labels, or farmer's vs grocers before we automatically discredit the 25, 35, 40 split as unfair... Not all of these examples apply in exact terms, but it would give us a better understanding as to how money is split among all parties.

I'd love it if mod author's got more, and personally I think Bethesda and Valve could have been a little more generous, but I can see why it was split the way it was.
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lereddit wrote: @foster xbl

Wait, you think it's okay that a big project can't get any profit due to this deal while any retard who knows how to port swords from DOTA2 can grab their 25%?

You must have no idea what you are talking about.
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retnav98 wrote: You know lerredit,

You're a 3 inch wart infested D1CK! Just kidding.


Actually...I'm not.

There's NO reason to degrade people. The fact that you're separated by firewalls makes you all the more pathetic.
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retnav98 wrote: @Wolvenlight

I get your point to a degree..

I would question the level of liability a publisher (or any of your other examples) shares...and the percentage of cost they absorb...

I honestly cannot see that Valve maintained any more cost than they did with mods that were free...now if any of your examples involved the option of FREE books, music, food in direct competition with PAID, you might have a more cogent point.
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lereddit wrote: @retnav98

Yeah no, he admitted as much as not having an idea about the details.

And the one who starts calling names is the dick here, my friend
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retnav98 wrote: We're not friends..

I disagree with HER...but Her most consistent and unshakable point is one I have come to agree with...it's her choice.

I wasn't calling names..I was simply identifying ..like in Biology...Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family...

Just calling it the way I see it.
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lereddit wrote: Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify name calling, champ
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Vesuvius1745 wrote: I've seen people call Lereddit names. I don't recall him calling anyone names.
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x9fallen wrote: Another aspect to look at is Valve's refund policy. After 24 hours, they would tell you to go pound sand. That sort of thing doesn't fly with physical goods.

That and the very real DMCA claims that were popping up on mods was set to turn the paid marketplace into an absolute train-wreck.

Also, I love Valve's one rule that they would not curate. Really Valve? Because your lack of curation has gone over big with the rest of the gaming community. Flood the market with 15 year old games that are barely functional? Sure!


Vesuvius,
And I didn't say he did either..I said he had ho reason to degrade people, he's the one who used those words.

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I agree but feel I must add that Bethesda must also give all of US the option to mod for free, or for money. And the option to buy UGC or not, without detracting from the original sales pitch and intent of the game. If it says beans in a can, I do not want rotten fish in a bag.

If you can avoid interest and debt then you are bang equal and that is the key to the free world. Sorry if that is too fleeting or opinionated, but I'm back from the pub :P Edited by sunshinenbrick
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Is there a list of the mods that have been pulled as a result of this little debacle. It would be interesting to see what the real impact has been. I would leave the names of the mod makers off the list, they have received enough grief from the less mature members as it is.
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