How will WW3 start?

[Harbringe]

n the tradition of Fallout 3, dealing with imaginary weaponry, I give you people the real life thing just posted. I have read the debates section in the forums here. This is real life taking place right now. Things are not so far off as to fallouts main theme Here is the link.http://www.reuters.com/news/video/story?videoId=187406842&videoChannel=2602

 

Robotic automated weapon systems don't think I like that idea

[marharth]

 

Communism will lead to a totalitarian government due to current human behavior.

 

Communism by definition is just a classless society in which everything is owned by the community.

 

A communist system could work in completely anarchy, but of course that will not happen due to human behavior.

 

I am not saying that communism can work without a totalitarist system as of now, I am saying if human behavior was changed it could work without a leader.

 

I've never been able to wrap my head around this one. So in a communist setup if I, in my spare time, grow a marijuana plant. Does that mean I have give an equal share to everyone? Everyone in my town, county, state, country? How does it that work?

 

I would add that when you say human "behavior" what you are referring to is human nature. Something that is not going to change. Ever.

 

Communism isn't really just you growing something and sharing, it would be your community growing something and working together, then getting their share of what they grow.

Human nature requires a leader to overlook that and make sure it works out.

I suppose human nature may never change, but it might. If the human race lives long enough we may evolve out of certain things.

 

 

Also I don't buy the whole "robots are gonna take over the world" thing.

The human brain is very advanced, and we are nowhere close to making anything like it.

[csgators]

 

Communism will lead to a totalitarian government due to current human behavior.

 

Communism by definition is just a classless society in which everything is owned by the community.

 

A communist system could work in completely anarchy, but of course that will not happen due to human behavior.

 

I am not saying that communism can work without a totalitarist system as of now, I am saying if human behavior was changed it could work without a leader.

 

I've never been able to wrap my head around this one. So in a communist setup if I, in my spare time, grow a marijuana plant. Does that mean I have give an equal share to everyone? Everyone in my town, county, state, country? How does it that work?

 

I would add that when you say human "behavior" what you are referring to is human nature. Something that is not going to change. Ever.

 

Communism isn't really just you growing something and sharing, it would be your community growing something and working together, then getting their share of what they grow.

Human nature requires a leader to overlook that and make sure it works out.

I suppose human nature may never change, but it might. If the human race lives long enough we may evolve out of certain things.

 

 

Also I don't buy the whole "robots are gonna take over the world" thing.

The human brain is very advanced, and we are nowhere close to making anything like it.

 

OK so the community decides to grow a big plot of corn together and share it. You will have to use force to compel me to help in the harvest or... what? You deny me any corn? OK so I grow all the veggies I need for myself and don't want any of your corn. See how this works? Communism is simply the use of force to compel people to do the bidding of others.

[marharth]

 

Communism will lead to a totalitarian government due to current human behavior.

 

Communism by definition is just a classless society in which everything is owned by the community.

 

A communist system could work in completely anarchy, but of course that will not happen due to human behavior.

 

I am not saying that communism can work without a totalitarist system as of now, I am saying if human behavior was changed it could work without a leader.

 

I've never been able to wrap my head around this one. So in a communist setup if I, in my spare time, grow a marijuana plant. Does that mean I have give an equal share to everyone? Everyone in my town, county, state, country? How does it that work?

 

I would add that when you say human "behavior" what you are referring to is human nature. Something that is not going to change. Ever.

 

Communism isn't really just you growing something and sharing, it would be your community growing something and working together, then getting their share of what they grow.

Human nature requires a leader to overlook that and make sure it works out.

I suppose human nature may never change, but it might. If the human race lives long enough we may evolve out of certain things.

 

 

Also I don't buy the whole "robots are gonna take over the world" thing.

The human brain is very advanced, and we are nowhere close to making anything like it.

 

OK so the community decides to grow a big plot of corn together and share it. You will have to use force to compel me to help in the harvest or... what? You deny me any corn? OK so I grow all the veggies I need for myself and don't want any of your corn. See how this works? Communism is simply the use of force to compel people to do the bidding of others.

In a perfect communism system you wouldn't need to use force on someone because everyone would agree to working together.

 

As I said, human nature does not allow this, but if human nature was to change over time it would be possible to have a system without a leader.

[csgators]

 

Communism will lead to a totalitarian government due to current human behavior.

 

Communism by definition is just a classless society in which everything is owned by the community.

 

A communist system could work in completely anarchy, but of course that will not happen due to human behavior.

 

I am not saying that communism can work without a totalitarist system as of now, I am saying if human behavior was changed it could work without a leader.

 

I've never been able to wrap my head around this one. So in a communist setup if I, in my spare time, grow a marijuana plant. Does that mean I have give an equal share to everyone? Everyone in my town, county, state, country? How does it that work?

 

I would add that when you say human "behavior" what you are referring to is human nature. Something that is not going to change. Ever.

 

Communism isn't really just you growing something and sharing, it would be your community growing something and working together, then getting their share of what they grow.

Human nature requires a leader to overlook that and make sure it works out.

I suppose human nature may never change, but it might. If the human race lives long enough we may evolve out of certain things.

 

 

Also I don't buy the whole "robots are gonna take over the world" thing.

The human brain is very advanced, and we are nowhere close to making anything like it.

 

OK so the community decides to grow a big plot of corn together and share it. You will have to use force to compel me to help in the harvest or... what? You deny me any corn? OK so I grow all the veggies I need for myself and don't want any of your corn. See how this works? Communism is simply the use of force to compel people to do the bidding of others.

In a perfect communism system you wouldn't need to use force on someone because everyone would agree to working together.

 

As I said, human nature does not allow this, but if human nature was to change over time it would be possible to have a system without a leader.

 

We agree on that but it highlights my problem with the progressive/socialist ideology in general. They fail completely to take reality into consideration.

[marharth]

 

Communism will lead to a totalitarian government due to current human behavior.

 

Communism by definition is just a classless society in which everything is owned by the community.

 

A communist system could work in completely anarchy, but of course that will not happen due to human behavior.

 

I am not saying that communism can work without a totalitarist system as of now, I am saying if human behavior was changed it could work without a leader.

 

I've never been able to wrap my head around this one. So in a communist setup if I, in my spare time, grow a marijuana plant. Does that mean I have give an equal share to everyone? Everyone in my town, county, state, country? How does it that work?

 

I would add that when you say human "behavior" what you are referring to is human nature. Something that is not going to change. Ever.

 

Communism isn't really just you growing something and sharing, it would be your community growing something and working together, then getting their share of what they grow.

Human nature requires a leader to overlook that and make sure it works out.

I suppose human nature may never change, but it might. If the human race lives long enough we may evolve out of certain things.

 

 

Also I don't buy the whole "robots are gonna take over the world" thing.

The human brain is very advanced, and we are nowhere close to making anything like it.

 

OK so the community decides to grow a big plot of corn together and share it. You will have to use force to compel me to help in the harvest or... what? You deny me any corn? OK so I grow all the veggies I need for myself and don't want any of your corn. See how this works? Communism is simply the use of force to compel people to do the bidding of others.

In a perfect communism system you wouldn't need to use force on someone because everyone would agree to working together.

 

As I said, human nature does not allow this, but if human nature was to change over time it would be possible to have a system without a leader.

 

We agree on that but it highlights my problem with the progressive/socialist ideology in general. They fail completely to take reality into consideration.

Well every socialist and communist system currently will not work right.

 

Human nature will not allow for such things to work correctly.

 

 

This is kinda a debate on WW3 though, I might open a new topic to discuss government systems.

[brokenergy]

Both sides are full of bs and doesn't work like it suppose to. Does that help? If you guys really want to talk about communist vs capitalist societies, do it in another thread instead of derailing this one.

 

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As to how WWIII starts... well there won't be a WWIII because the world is going to end in 2012 :tongue: . Jk's... there is only going to be small scale conflicts between nations in the future, not large scale wars like in the ye-oldy-days. So no fabled WWIII, sorry to burst it for you.

[marharth]

Both sides are full of bs and doesn't work like it suppose to. Does that help? If you guys really want to talk about communist vs capitalist societies, do it in another thread instead of derailing this one.

 

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As to how WWIII starts... well there won't be a WWIII because the world is going to end in 2012 :tongue: . Jk's... there is only going to be small scale conflicts between nations in the future, not large scale wars like in the ye-oldy-days. So no fabled WWIII, sorry to burst it for you.

So you don't think there will ever be another large scale war?

[evilneko]

Both sides are full of bs and doesn't work like it suppose to. Does that help? If you guys really want to talk about communist vs capitalist societies, do it in another thread instead of derailing this one.

 

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As to how WWIII starts... well there won't be a WWIII because the world is going to end in 2012 :tongue: . Jk's... there is only going to be small scale conflicts between nations in the future, not large scale wars like in the ye-oldy-days. So no fabled WWIII, sorry to burst it for you.

So you don't think there will ever be another large scale war?

 

Nope. Too expensive, world's economy too interdependent, plus I think the only nations capable of making war on such a scale are the US and China. For economic reasons, neither will do it. The world can't buy cheap chinese crap if the chinese kill us all. Not to mention the last two were started by those darn Europeans and it seems they've pretty much gotten over that whole "loving to kill each other" thing. No longer can one make their fortune inventing a way for Europeans to kill each other with greater efficiency! (Now, it's Arabs and Jews and other Middle Eastern peoples)

 

As I said in my previous post, I don't believe we'll see another world war in the same sense as the previous two. Instead, we'll likely have localized conflicts unrelated to each other.

[brokenergy]

Both sides are full of bs and doesn't work like it suppose to. Does that help? If you guys really want to talk about communist vs capitalist societies, do it in another thread instead of derailing this one.

 

***

 

As to how WWIII starts... well there won't be a WWIII because the world is going to end in 2012 :tongue: . Jk's... there is only going to be small scale conflicts between nations in the future, not large scale wars like in the ye-oldy-days. So no fabled WWIII, sorry to burst it for you.

So you don't think there will ever be another large scale war?

 

Neko pretty much summed it up, a global war is just too expensive for both sides. One of the main reasons that the previous world wars were won by the victors was the money issue. The only wars that you would see now and in the future are either small conflicts within or between nations or economic wars between nations (example China vs America). I could add alien invasions to the mix if you want but that's too far fetch, so lets stick to reality.