What would be the best way to punish criminals?

[antonkr]

In 2008 there were 2,400,000 prisoners in United States. Can you imagine the amount of money it takes to maintain prisons and how much the tax payers have to suffer from it?

And almost 40 percent of inmates who are released commit a crime again!

So clearly the jail system is not a perfect option?

What do you guys think would be a fair way of justice?

[marharth]

I have posted pretty much a exact answer to this in another topic...

 

I don't believe in punishment, I don't think it works.

 

I would rather have a system where criminals are put into a different society were they can work and be rehabilitated while in the society. The profits they make off the work goes directly to fund the "jail" system, and any left over profits will be given to the US government as tax dollars.

[DariusMoranda]

There was a similar thread to this one recently, as I recall and I already expressed my thoughts on that matter.

 

But! I'll do it again. ;)

 

Depends on the crimes that the different individuals committed. In my opinion, justice should be executed ruthlessly, as a prevention of further widespread escalation of crime. You can't stop the crime completely but you can reduce it. For that, you need some votes for the law to be much more sharp and a man/woman with a huge experience in that sector to run the whole show. Ex policemen or an ex military personel, carefully selected, someone who is well known in public for the lack of emotions ,a one track minded person, focused on his/her job.

 

That would be the first step to get them criminals a bit shaky, when they watch TV.

 

Next thing is to break corruption in the law enforcement and justice department, striking fast with firing the suspicious individuals, rearranging the structure with the fresh personel and putting an ex state prosecutor or a judge to run the whole thing. Same stuff, that person should be known for showing no mercy in his field of work.

 

That would be the second one for that criminal scum, when they open their pay books and when they find out that their corrupted judges, prosecutors and lawyers are on a permanent vacation, giving them no room for a bribe or anything else which would come in handy as a benefit for performing criminal acts.

 

Law enforcement, same thing. Down with the corruption and power abuse, prison for those and firing quickly, changing the structure from the root, by replacing the former emplyed personel with people who will work for the interest of the state and state only.Careful selection, top candidates for the tasks, with lack of feelings towards criminal individuals, no nonsense guys, strong, skilled and hard headed Law enforcement is the fist of the justice so it should run smoothly and without too much thinking, it is a weapon for catching criminals. Therefore, as a prevention, Internal Control should be on 00-24 with their eyes open , just in case.

 

That's the third and maybe one of the most important steps to reduce the crime activity in the region where you live.

 

Let's go high profile on the matter. Government uniforms. Spies everywhere , top secrets are on the sale everywhere, political dissidents and terrorists, assasins, hired guns, mercenaries, money landry inside and outside, it all brings a bad image to the country. Who can deal with those? People who are skilled with the internal affairs. Those guys should be in their prime, very carefully picked , trained for everything in every segment, to deal with those big sharks. It should be in the hands of a merciless man, who can easily adapt on every situation and who can act precisely and fast under alert. Ex specialist, an ex counter spy or a former Interpol member, etc.

Now, those boys should have a uniformed team as well, armed till their teeth, trained in extremely hard conditions and equipped with the best of the best, for a sharp, calculated and effective action. That kind of unit can be involved in war activity even, for risky and dangerous operations. Give them a bad name, something patriotic and righteous, example- Unit for special operations within the Internal Affairs and Foreign Duty,-White Eagles, Iron Knights or something vicious like Black Berets or Red Wolves, etc.

 

That's the 4th one, those traitors and fat greedy crime bosses would need to get pacemakers.

 

Now , let's modify those laws. Prison sentences - all up for 2-3 years more on the former prison service, for the petty criminals. Stealing a purse to a grandma on the street? 3 years. Do it again, criminal, I dare you. ;) You get the point.

 

To get this text shorter-

 

Let's jump to those who like to pray on the weak ones. Killing children, rape , torture , older people abuse oe similar- life sentence + death penalty. Work for the stae , criminal, and repay your crimes, until you get old, then off with you in front of a firing squad. No mercy , no play, they screw it up, you put them down. Prison sentence for that kind should be hard labor , no benefits, sleeping in dog box , without any chance for apeal , all that for 30 or 40 years if they live that long, THEN off to the same place where they sent their innocent victims.

 

Connect al of these sectors to work in a perfect harmony and update them and trained them every month for a collective progress,

 

And that would be it.

 

Oh and... make a parade with the whole law enforcement once in every 3 months in the center of the capitol, for everyone to see. Criminals would watch it too, and they would think 3 times before doing anything bad. Parade isa good thing for that kind to hold their pants tight. Just to demonstrate some state power, nothing much.

 

Ruthless? Yes. Radical? Yes. Not pretty. It ain't. But it would be effective, no argument with that.

 

Every department should be as it is. Ministry of culture should be under the patronate of an artist, a free person, open minded and creative, someone who knows how to bring positive and motivating things to the society. Ministry of sport should be in the hands of a sportsman renome, someone who holds medals earned for his state ,a proud figure of his/her people, someone who represents strength and spirit of the nation.

 

Same is with the punishment. Law and justice is not a joke, and should be taken as that, serious and no nonsense. Crime is everywhere and it is the rust of every land, it is a malicious thing that kills people, young people usually and innocent, tricked and dragged into it.

 

You can't stop it and you can't punish it without an iron fist- fast, effective and with no mercy.

 

That is the best way to punish them. With bringing the law and justice among them.

 

Stay cool :thumbsup:

 

Moranda

[Nadimos]

Criminals are criminals, because they feel some form of guilt in them. I dont know if electroshocks work, but i doubt it.

 

In norway they have an prison on an island in nature. It is the best prison and more of therapy, then prison and it works.

 

Dont misunderstand. They still have heavy hitters there.

 

Maybe you can find it via google.

Edited February 10, 2011 by Nadimos

[Flamethrower]

Prisons are apparently a hot topic. In my country, for example, the media complains how prisoners live in un-livable conditions and how they're treated badly. 'Course each time I hear this, I go: "IT'S A MOTHER-F***ING PRISON!!!". Then the neigbours get mad.

 

Anyway, maybe we should go back a hundered or two hundred years ago? Use criminals as labourers, make 'em work. There was a prison somewhere in Tasmania, where prisoners were stripped of social contact. There was no talking, everyone wore these white masks, the rooms were small and barren. The guards wore slippers so there wouldn't be any noise.

And maybe used them more like 'slaves', not really labourers? Just make 'em work hard almost every day. That would work in a country where construction firms stall their work, so they can steal more and more money.

[Fatalmasterpiece]

I don't believe in punishment, I don't think it works.

 

I agree with this but for different reasons/results.

 

Civilization is a transient state of mankind and it's result is war, famine, death and disease. The earth has more than enough resources to support mankind, but only in small, manageable population numbers. Punishing someone with law is only treating the symptoms of a disease with one cure, the elimination of mass quantities of population.

 

In a perfect world, you would only have to associate with those you trust, in small tribal groups. If someone wronged you enough to warrant "punishment" they simply don't belong in that group and deserve exile/death.

 

"Barbarianism is the natural state of mankind.Civilization is unnatural.It is the whim of circumstance.And barbarianism must ultimately triumph"

— Robert E. Howard

 

There are no "standards of Right". Ethics is balderdash. Each Star must go on its own orbit. To hell with "moral principle"; there is no such thing.

—Aleister Crowley

Edited February 14, 2011 by Fatalmasterpiece

[JimboUK]

Jails do work to a degree, while someone is locked away they're not robbing and murdering innocent people. What's needed is a lot more effort put into rehabilitation in the form of education, treatment for drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness. Just locking people up for x number of years before releasing them back into the same situation as before is a waste of time and money.

[Nadimos]

Jails do work to a degree, while someone is locked away they're not robbing and murdering innocent people. What's needed is a lot more effort put into rehabilitation in the form of education, treatment for drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness. Just locking people up for x number of years before releasing them back into the same situation as before is a waste of time and money.

What he said.

 

@Fatalmasterpiece

 

It is not to much peopel on earth, but poeple using to much ressources and not giving back.

Edited February 15, 2011 by Nadimos

[Fatalmasterpiece]

Jails do work to a degree, while someone is locked away they're not robbing and murdering innocent people. What's needed is a lot more effort put into rehabilitation in the form of education, treatment for drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness. Just locking people up for x number of years before releasing them back into the same situation as before is a waste of time and money.

What he said.

 

@Fatalmasterpiece

 

It is not to much peopel on earth, but poeple using to much ressources and not giving back.

 

While your logic is sound, it must be recognized at a certain level there is just no way that the earth can sustain the amount of drain vs how much people give back.

 

If you cram too many animals in a pen they will start to kill each other. Crime is a symptom of the overcrowding and the poor distribution of what resources we have available. In a capitalistic society, there will always be poor and there will always be disenfranchised. In a socialist society there will always be those without power or freedoms. Thus there is no way to eliminate crime without eliminating society.

[marharth]

Jails do work to a degree, while someone is locked away they're not robbing and murdering innocent people. What's needed is a lot more effort put into rehabilitation in the form of education, treatment for drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness. Just locking people up for x number of years before releasing them back into the same situation as before is a waste of time and money.

What he said.

 

@Fatalmasterpiece

 

It is not to much peopel on earth, but poeple using to much ressources and not giving back.

 

While your logic is sound, it must be recognized at a certain level there is just no way that the earth can sustain the amount of drain vs how much people give back.

 

If you cram too many animals in a pen they will start to kill each other. Crime is a symptom of the overcrowding and the poor distribution of what resources we have available. In a capitalistic society, there will always be poor and there will always be disenfranchised. In a socialist society there will always be those without power or freedoms. Thus there is no way to eliminate crime without eliminating society.

If people would lower their standards to what they consider crime it would help for sure. A chunk of the laws in the US are either hurting us or pointless.

 

Jails work in a way of keeping people away from society, but I think they need to be more then that. As I said above jails need to be less of a punishment and more of a separate society.

Edited February 15, 2011 by marharth