IndorilTheGreat Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Just thought that I would post something about the current political situation in Egypt: Live news stream of the situation in Egypt. What is your opinion on the President's decision to stay in office, not listening to the opinion of the Egyptian people? (I figured that I should put this in the debates section just to be on the safe side. :thumbsup:) Cheers,IndorilTheGreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbringe Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Just thought that I would post something about the current political situation in Egypt: Live news stream of the situation in Egypt. What is your opinion on the President's decision to stay in office, not listening to the opinion of the Egyptian people? (I figured that I should put this in the debates section just to be on the safe side. :thumbsup:) Cheers,IndorilTheGreat Well he is a dictator ,can't really expect him to listen to the people. The people are going to be looking to see what their military thinks of it and they are going to be looking to see what the American response to the announcement will be. Their military by some indications have been side swiped by this and if the Americans start making statements about stable transition and how Mubarak is needed for such a thing ,then this could get a whole lot uglier if the people perceive there are back room deals being made at their expense. The Americans need to be really careful about what they do ,they have an immense amount of geo strategic cards tied into having Egypt in their camp .Really their entire Middle East posture hinges on it.If by their actions the people come to think they are supporting Mubarak ,then it could result in exactly what they don't want ,a Egypt that is unfavorable or even hostile to US concerns ie Israel and that would mean a shift from a Persian Gulf focus back to a Mediteranean focus , similar to the time between 1967 Arab/Israeli War and 1973 Yom Kippur War .What is happening there has huge repercussions for the region .And in solely a Egyptian context it could result in a massive civil war ,which of course would shake up the region even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Ill make this short. As long as the USA doesn't spread propaganda about how the Muslim brotherhood are evil terrorists (when they are peaceful and don't want violence) then we should be fine. Then again I think if every country just doesn't do or say anything about it they will sort it out on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHerring Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Just thought that I would post something about the current political situation in Egypt: Live news stream of the situation in Egypt. What is your opinion on the President's decision to stay in office, not listening to the opinion of the Egyptian people? (I figured that I should put this in the debates section just to be on the safe side. :thumbsup:) Cheers,IndorilTheGreat Well he is a dictator ,can't really expect him to listen to the people. The people are going to be looking to see what their military thinks of it and they are going to be looking to see what the American response to the announcement will be. Their military by some indications have been side swiped by this and if the Americans start making statements about stable transition and how Mubarak is needed for such a thing ,then this could get a whole lot uglier if the people perceive there are back room deals being made at their expense. The Americans need to be really careful about what they do ,they have an immense amount of geo strategic cards tied into having Egypt in their camp .Really their entire Middle East posture hinges on it.If by their actions the people come to think they are supporting Mubarak ,then it could result in exactly what they don't want ,a Egypt that is unfavorable or even hostile to US concerns ie Israel and that would mean a shift from a Persian Gulf focus back to a Mediteranean focus , similar to the time between 1967 Arab/Israeli War and 1973 Yom Kippur War .What is happening there has huge repercussions for the region .And in solely a Egyptian context it could result in a massive civil war ,which of course would shake up the region even more. Egypt is currently hostile to both America and Israel. They have for a long time depended upon American support but that does not change the fact that the state media in Egypt has continued to be venemous toward both the U.S. and particularly Israel. What middle eastern country would even dream of removing such providentially provided sources to focus rage upon? Would the Egyptian government really have wanted this amount of public expression of anger at the state of their own nation? Admittedly there is a big difference between using the U.S. and Israel as a convenient distraction and doing something which would be disadvantageous toward the finances of Egypt, but apparently Saudi Arabia has offered to replace America as the financier of the Egyptian regime.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbringe Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Just thought that I would post something about the current political situation in Egypt: Live news stream of the situation in Egypt. What is your opinion on the President's decision to stay in office, not listening to the opinion of the Egyptian people? (I figured that I should put this in the debates section just to be on the safe side. :thumbsup:) Cheers,IndorilTheGreat Well he is a dictator ,can't really expect him to listen to the people. The people are going to be looking to see what their military thinks of it and they are going to be looking to see what the American response to the announcement will be. Their military by some indications have been side swiped by this and if the Americans start making statements about stable transition and how Mubarak is needed for such a thing ,then this could get a whole lot uglier if the people perceive there are back room deals being made at their expense. The Americans need to be really careful about what they do ,they have an immense amount of geo strategic cards tied into having Egypt in their camp .Really their entire Middle East posture hinges on it.If by their actions the people come to think they are supporting Mubarak ,then it could result in exactly what they don't want ,a Egypt that is unfavorable or even hostile to US concerns ie Israel and that would mean a shift from a Persian Gulf focus back to a Mediteranean focus , similar to the time between 1967 Arab/Israeli War and 1973 Yom Kippur War .What is happening there has huge repercussions for the region .And in solely a Egyptian context it could result in a massive civil war ,which of course would shake up the region even more. Egypt is currently hostile to both America and Israel. They have for a long time depended upon American support but that does not change the fact that the state media in Egypt has continued to be venemous toward both the U.S. and particularly Israel. What middle eastern country would even dream of removing such providentially provided sources to focus rage upon? Would the Egyptian government really have wanted this amount of public expression of anger at the state of their own nation? Admittedly there is a big difference between using the U.S. and Israel as a convenient distraction and doing something which would be disadvantageous toward the finances of Egypt, but apparently Saudi Arabia has offered to replace America as the financier of the Egyptian regime.... A majority of Egyptians support the peace treaty with Israel ,your always going to find people in a society that are disgruntled with the current situation .What they strongly dislike is the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians and Mubarak's and America's muted support of it . This has nothing to do with anything outside of the situation that is endemic to Egypt . They got 40+% unemployment ,getting an education is getting harder and harder , inflation is taking its toll on the price of basic commodities , like food . The corruption is rampant and it's being enforced by secret police and secret arrests ,it doesn't matter what the Egyptian government wants and its got nothing to do with any providentially provided sources ,that's just a red herring argument to distract from the true cause. Even the arguments about the Muslim Brotherhood bogeyman are meaningless , they didn't even start to become involved until 4 or 5 days after it started ,even they were caught totally surprised by this .Literally this all got going because a bunch of 18 - 25 year old's seen it happening in Tunisia and were fed up with the crappy life they were living and because there were so many people in Egypt who felt the same way it just mushroomed into what we are seeing. What the Saudi offer show's though is that they are worried about Mubarak being overthrown by this ,after all they too are a dictatorship and they are not sure how it would be received by their own people in their own country.It worries them. As it likely worries many similar type regimes in the region. Edited February 11, 2011 by Harbringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndorilTheGreat Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Well, President Mubarak has just relented control to the military - certainly an interesting turn of events. It sounds like the people are quite jubilated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbringe Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Mubarak has resigned , the people have won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Mubarak has resigned , the people have wonThe perils of jumping to conclusions, is that the sudden stop at the end of the free fall is a bummer. Mubarak has not resigned. Edit: Should listen to myself (LOL), you are now right, he has resigned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJamPASyC98 Edited February 11, 2011 by Aurielius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 He "resigned" AKA he has someone else going into power that is exactly the same has him, yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndorilTheGreat Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) He "resigned" AKA he has someone else going into power that is exactly the same has him, yay! I noticed in the Vice President's speech, that Mubarak had declared that he is giving up control of the country to the military (who had stated before, that they would side with the people of Egypt). Now let's just hope that Egypt doesn't become a military dictatorship (even though there wasn't really a coup. Somehow I have a feeling that it would not go over too well with the people... :unsure: Edit: Correction - it seems that Egypt is officially labeled as having a Military Dictatorship type government. Right now it is more of an emergency government. However, I am curious as to how far the military will go with their new position in the country... Edited February 11, 2011 by IndorilTheGreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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