Same Sex Education in Schools

[Gamerbird]

Evening all!

 

This is something that I've been thinking about myself for a good while now and I want to find out other peoples opinions on the topic. We've all been through school or are currently going through it and had some form of Sex Education. However (I know certainly for me) there was a lack of any form of education towards Same Sex relationships. To me, this is obviously something that I feel should have been covered as many children could be going through that confusing time of understanding who they are and with the subject being washed over an not mentioned, this may make the child feel more confused.

 

Personally I also believe it to be quite dangerous to not be educated as what you learn comes from what you hear within the gay community or search for yourself which may not always be true. By not educating the children in Same Gender Sex, we are possibly causing serious harm to them further down the line.

 

What I want to know is, what are your points of view on this? Do you think it should be taught, if not, why?

[HeyYou]

I don't think the state should teach sex ed in any form. It is not their place. That is the job of PARENTS. Granted, a pretty large percentage of parents don't take any responsiblity of this at all, or, simply teach that abstinence is the only way.... But, the state has already take over WAY too much responsibility in parenting. (and deprived parents of the ability to properly parent in a fair few cases.) I want the state to stay the hell out of my family life, child-rearing, and how I discipline my kids.

[WursWaldo]

Why do children 'need' to be educated on same sex relationships?

 

You state that children could be confused. So do you want to confuse them more, or do you want to indoctrinate them? As things are now parents cannot opt out of sex education for their children, since educators and bureaucrats know what is best and families don't.

 

Oregon's HERC now has a policy in place to allow 15 year olds to get puberty suppressing drugs, sex reassignment surgeries and cross sex hormones without parental consent. These same 15 year olds aren't responsible enough to go on a school field trip without parental consent, but they can get a state funded sex change. They cannot drive, hold a hazardous job, or even operate the deep frier at McDonald's, but they can get gender reassignment. Does that really make sense to anyone?

 

There is a limit social progressiveness, and that is what parents want for their children. Values start at home with loved ones, not with liberal agenda bureaucrats and educators.

[HeyYou]

Why do children 'need' to be educated on same sex relationships?

 

You state that children could be confused. So do you want to confuse them more, or do you want to indoctrinate them? As things are now parents cannot opt out of sex education for their children, since educators and bureaucrats know what is best and families don't.

 

Oregon's HERC now has a policy in place to allow 15 year olds to get puberty suppressing drugs, sex reassignment surgeries and cross sex hormones without parental consent. These same 15 year olds aren't responsible enough to go on a school field trip without parental consent, but they can get a state funded sex change. They cannot drive, hold a hazardous job, or even operate the deep frier at McDonald's, but they can get gender reassignment. Does that really make sense to anyone?

 

There is a limit social progressiveness, and that is what parents want for their children. Values start at home with loved ones, not with liberal agenda bureaucrats and educators.

YEEE HAAA! I completely, whole-heartedly, 110% agree with you. If I could give kudos here, I would.

[Vagrant0]

I don't see how such a thing would be necessary. The purpose of sexual education is to help educate about both the biological processes that young persons are going through as well as make them aware of contraceptives and means of limiting risk of STDs. The important parts of this don't matter how you identify. Keep the content informative and without political agenda, and you'll accomplish this purpose. Drag political agenda or social progressiveness into it will bring the whole idea under fire intentionally or unintentionally by those who oppose any part of it, real or imagined. And when tax dollars are being used, those oppositions usually become heated.

 

When adults and experts still don't have much understanding of human sexuality, trying to teach this to children at the same time will only lead to confusion. When you have a society where hatred and bigotry speak louder than tolerance and common sense, While helping guide young people towards finding themselves is a good thing, guiding them with wrong information or because of social/political pressures can do more harm than good. Our society simply isn't enlightened enough to deal with this sort of topic at this time and should be more focused on resolving the prejudices and misinformation within that society before trying to pull children into the middle of everything.

[Deleted1205226User]

Extremely well said, thank you!

[Gamerbird]

 

Why do children 'need' to be educated on same sex relationships?

 

You state that children could be confused. So do you want to confuse them more, or do you want to indoctrinate them? As things are now parents cannot opt out of sex education for their children, since educators and bureaucrats know what is best and families don't.

 

Oregon's HERC now has a policy in place to allow 15 year olds to get puberty suppressing drugs, sex reassignment surgeries and cross sex hormones without parental consent. These same 15 year olds aren't responsible enough to go on a school field trip without parental consent, but they can get a state funded sex change. They cannot drive, hold a hazardous job, or even operate the deep frier at McDonald's, but they can get gender reassignment. Does that really make sense to anyone?

 

There is a limit social progressiveness, and that is what parents want for their children. Values start at home with loved ones, not with liberal agenda bureaucrats and educators.

YEEE HAAA! I completely, whole-heartedly, 110% agree with you. If I could give kudos here, I would.

 

 

No what I'm trying to say is, that by discussing the various Genders, Sexualities etc, it may help children come to terms with who they are. Not only that, it would show the younger generation that these things are normal and perfectly acceptable.

 

 

I don't see how such a thing would be necessary. The purpose of sexual education is to help educate about both the biological processes that young persons are going through as well as make them aware of contraceptives and means of limiting risk of STDs. The important parts of this don't matter how you identify. Keep the content informative and without political agenda, and you'll accomplish this purpose. Drag political agenda or social progressiveness into it will bring the whole idea under fire intentionally or unintentionally by those who oppose any part of it, real or imagined. And when tax dollars are being used, those oppositions usually become heated.

 

When adults and experts still don't have much understanding of human sexuality, trying to teach this to children at the same time will only lead to confusion. When you have a society where hatred and bigotry speak louder than tolerance and common sense, While helping guide young people towards finding themselves is a good thing, guiding them with wrong information or because of social/political pressures can do more harm than good. Our society simply isn't enlightened enough to deal with this sort of topic at this time and should be more focused on resolving the prejudices and misinformation within that society before trying to pull children into the middle of everything.

 

Whilst I agree that it will cause some trouble, maybe having the option to opt out would suffice? It's not a case of any sort of political agenda at all (such as the apparent gay agenda) however I do think that at least touching on the subject would help many young people who are struggling to come to terms with who they are. Along with understanding more about the various forms of sex.

[HeyYou]

 

 

Why do children 'need' to be educated on same sex relationships?

 

You state that children could be confused. So do you want to confuse them more, or do you want to indoctrinate them? As things are now parents cannot opt out of sex education for their children, since educators and bureaucrats know what is best and families don't.

 

Oregon's HERC now has a policy in place to allow 15 year olds to get puberty suppressing drugs, sex reassignment surgeries and cross sex hormones without parental consent. These same 15 year olds aren't responsible enough to go on a school field trip without parental consent, but they can get a state funded sex change. They cannot drive, hold a hazardous job, or even operate the deep frier at McDonald's, but they can get gender reassignment. Does that really make sense to anyone?

 

There is a limit social progressiveness, and that is what parents want for their children. Values start at home with loved ones, not with liberal agenda bureaucrats and educators.

YEEE HAAA! I completely, whole-heartedly, 110% agree with you. If I could give kudos here, I would.

 

 

No what I'm trying to say is, that by discussing the various Genders, Sexualities etc, it may help children come to terms with who they are. Not only that, it would show the younger generation that these things are normal and perfectly acceptable.

 

 

I don't see how such a thing would be necessary. The purpose of sexual education is to help educate about both the biological processes that young persons are going through as well as make them aware of contraceptives and means of limiting risk of STDs. The important parts of this don't matter how you identify. Keep the content informative and without political agenda, and you'll accomplish this purpose. Drag political agenda or social progressiveness into it will bring the whole idea under fire intentionally or unintentionally by those who oppose any part of it, real or imagined. And when tax dollars are being used, those oppositions usually become heated.

 

When adults and experts still don't have much understanding of human sexuality, trying to teach this to children at the same time will only lead to confusion. When you have a society where hatred and bigotry speak louder than tolerance and common sense, While helping guide young people towards finding themselves is a good thing, guiding them with wrong information or because of social/political pressures can do more harm than good. Our society simply isn't enlightened enough to deal with this sort of topic at this time and should be more focused on resolving the prejudices and misinformation within that society before trying to pull children into the middle of everything.

 

Whilst I agree that it will cause some trouble, maybe having the option to opt out would suffice? It's not a case of any sort of political agenda at all (such as the apparent gay agenda) however I do think that at least touching on the subject would help many young people who are struggling to come to terms with who they are. Along with understanding more about the various forms of sex.

 

Normal? Perfectly acceptable? Perhaps to you, but, there is a pretty significant percentage of the population that would vehemently disagree with you. They do not consider it 'normal', or 'acceptable' at all, and if you even so much as hint that you are going to try and teach children that it is, the hue and cry will be heard 'round the world, and the torch and pitchfork crowd will be out in force.

[WursWaldo]

"Normal" So sexual dysphoria and gender dysphoria aren't mental conditions? They aren't psychosexual states? The liberal press, internet SJWs, and politically driven activists are right and the professional medical and mental health communites are wrong.

That makes perfect sense. Johns Hopkins; the first American hospital to perform gender reassignment and the formost authority on sexual and gender indentity is wrong because they treat the truth as the truth and aren't politcally correct. Even though the research and treatments done by the Sexual Behaviors Consultation Unit are the best in the world, they're still wrong because they treat sexual and gender psychosexual conditions as mental conditions.

Thank you for clarifying what normal is. The rest of the world is confused and the people with agendas have it right.

My Opinion:

Politics have no place in education. I am against agendas being forced on children. It is not okay for educators to fill children's heads with liberal or conservative ideologies that are alien to their home evironments. It is the parents' right and duty to teach their children morals and social conscience, not the government and not paid educators. Math, science, history, literature, and the arts. Teach those in school. I'll take care of teaching my child to be a better human being.

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Edited July 21, 2015 by WursWaldo

[Vagrant0]

 

Whilst I agree that it will cause some trouble, maybe having the option to opt out would suffice? It's not a case of any sort of political agenda at all (such as the apparent gay agenda) however I do think that at least touching on the subject would help many young people who are struggling to come to terms with who they are. Along with understanding more about the various forms of sex.

 

 

Well, let's be clear here... Sex education is not about teaching how to perform ANY sexual acts, regardless of what genitalia they involve. Not only would this be highly inappropriate within a school setting, but also implies a "right way" or a "wrong way" of performing these acts. In practice, teenagers usually learn this sort of thing on their own, occasionally in the way of their choosing, for better or worse, just like every other teenager has done before for thousands of years.

 

Sexual education is simply a course intended to help inform young students about the various sorts of biological changes that are happening due to puberty, and was elected as a standard course in middle and highschool since parents often neglected these things, intentionally withheld them, were not comfortable discussing, or were not particularly aware of them. It (ideally) approaches the subject from the standpoint of medical science instead of whatever popular notions which might exist as a way to counteract that negligence or superstition which may result in a student feeling shamed by sudden changes or being unaware of health problems that are related to unusual development.

 

The instruction (in my experience usually very brief) towards using contraceptives and similar things to prevent STDs was integrated into the course in the 90's when the spread of HIV and other diseases was becoming a global concern. Prior to this, STDs, or rather use of a condom was only taught as a standard for military service due to soldiers contracting and spreading the diseases as they f*#@ed their way across Europe and Asia. It was acknowledged by many governments that having your soldiers afflicted with these sorts of diseases could have a negative impact on their combat performance, to the point where a ration of condoms were part of standard equipment for many armies even as early as WW I. Just like with civilians, even with relatively few using these devices, it still lead to a significant decline in the frequency of STDs among troops. As a civil matter, trying to reduce the frequency of STDs among a population by means of standardized education and advertisement is a matter of importance that extends beyond what can be achieved at the individual level or trying to promote abstinence. The reality of the matter, as has been proven time and time again since even before anyone even knew what time was, having a policy of complete abstinence simply does not work.

 

The problem with having an "opt out" option is that in cases like this, it is usually taken because of ignorance, superstition, or because of political beliefs. The result of which often being an individual who takes fewer precautions, is less informed, and as a result is usually exposed to more risks... Following into the next generation, and so on until someone breaks the cycle and realizes that traditional teachings are not telling them of things they should know about. Adding more political spin to the matter only gives biased persons a reason to opt into the path of ignorance that can last for generations to come. While what someone does in their bedroom with the partner of their choosing is entirely their own business, they still have to eventually leave that bedroom and share common spaces where the unintentional transmission of diseases can still occur.

 

 

Teaching about gender identities or sexual dispositions is an entirely different matter, and is more related to social studies than a health class since the vast majority of issues connected with it are infact social issues, just like sexism, racism, nationalism and other forms of bigotry.