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Why we can't use Patreon, and talking about donations and doing more to support mod authors


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I hate to say it, but this is all probably moot. Right now Bethesda is simply biding their time. Paid mods will come to us all eventually. The paid modding debacle is far from over. The corporations will find a way to get their pound of flesh. It's what they do. It's all they do. Yes. Bethesda is a terminator and it absolutely will not stop, ever, until it has your money. I do feel torn because I know how much time I've spent as a mod user getting all this stuff to work. I can only imagine the countless hours of hard work that goes into many of the mods on Nexus. I wish there was a way for the mod authors to not get screwed and make a buck or two cuz they deserve it. I don't think that is ever going to happen. This most recent debacle is just a case in point. Bethesda teased mod authors with a few (very few) dollars and then everything hit the fan. I feel sure there were a lot of authors out there looking at all their downloads and views and counting those unhatched chickens. But I feel certain that any big monster company out there, not just Bethesda, will make absolutely sure that almost every dime goes into the corporate coffers and not into the pockets of the mod authors however deserving they may be.
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There are three things this that I don't see a lot of people discussing.

1. Chumps, Punks and Trolls, Oh my! These people seem entitled to perfection in a mod that they get for free, you can see it in the post sections, in rude often hostile posts. Steam is so bad that I don't even go there anymore for any reason (at least the Nexus has given us a Troll Bat). What will this maelstrom be like when money is involved?

2. Most of the mods I download I end up not using, even many I have endorsed and donated to through Pay Pal. The reason is that so many mods cause conflicts with so many mods. Sorting out mod conflict is sometimes a nightmare scenario. So if I buy mod X and mods Y and Z, which I also purchased, are broken by X, what if any recourse do I have? Will they be receptive to my demanding a refund? Having purchased mods A and B, will I be willing to try C for fear, real or imagined, that it might break something?

3. What if I get a refund but keep a backup copy of the mod? What if I torrent a cracked copy of the mod? This could get so ugly so fast and it isn't a battlefield I want to step onto, it's insane. Software Piracy is an enormous issue for major corporations with armies of lawyers and lobbyists with draconian laws, etc., etc., etc., and they are losing. What hope has a person who mods for a hobby?

If mod authors don't come to the dance when Fallout 4 rolls out, if the lack of mods causes PC sales to fall 5-10% below projections on Steam, they will buckle and resolve the above issues in a satisfactory manner for all involved. Remember Steam started this and it will be a major fight before its over.
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All i get was backlash, but my question didn't get answered.
1. I tried to do some modding but it takes too much time and i prefer to do other things.
2. i was modding witcher 2, creating my own version of stats, difficulty, but i wasn't happy with the quality so i didn't release it.
3. I am not a programmer, graphic artist or designer; In truth i hate those things.
They are just not my cup of tea.

So could someone explain me why because i do not get it.
I want to understand this.
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You want to know why you don't enjoy modding? Probably the same reason you don't enjoy anything you don't do...
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@Arthmoor Indeed the monthly subscription fee would not work here on the Nexus. (Unless the Nexus start giving Bethesda a cut, but would be a complex agreement and Dark0ne clearly stated he want Nexus to remain a haven for free modding).

But I believe a subscription fee, netflix style, would be the only, feasible way to make a Paid Workshop system work (wether run by Steam or directly by Bethesda).
I'm not going to paid 5 dollar to download a single weather mod, but I would pay 1 to 5 dollar monthly to have unlimited access to a vast archive of mods.
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Do not know if this matters to anyone talking about the rate of endorsements on mods.

But I know personally that I would endorse more frequently if using mod organizer to download was not cutting me off from endorsing.

Currently when I go to mods I have several weeks or months of experience with, I cannot endorse them because the site tells me I am not allowed to endorse a mod I do not have.

I have to download mods twice (once with mod organizer, once manually) in order to endorse mods -- given hard drive space limitations and monthly internet traffic caps, this is not always an option unless a mod is both exceptional quality and low in relative file size.
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I find this low endorsement rate discussion strange... What is an endorsement really... Why do people drive so much for getting them?

Modding is a hobby I enjoy, I share my work with people for them to enjoy it as well, if they do, great, if they don't... So what? Seriously?

I'd rather go back to the time they didn't exist, I rather get 1 good comment than a 1000 endorsements. I also liked the old endorsement system. Yes only a select few came back to endorse, but at least they come back out of their own accord. Endorsing has become click bait these days. You get a pop-up, click all the buttons and done. What value does that hold? Non. I stopped endorsing mods unless I am blown away by the mod, small or big. The reason endorsments are so consistent overall, simply is because it has become routine and click bait. They aren't even a tool to measure the quality of a mod anymore, they used to...

What makes a mod deserve an endorsement is also dependent on the users perception. I find it a stupid system in it's current form.

I hate donations... But that is me. To me adding the pop-up is like saying you deserve other peoples money for your hobby? How is that giving to the community? expecting something in return is never giving. It seems a shift in society driven to get something in return for everything we do these days. Why have we stopped doing things purely for our own enjoyment and the pleasure of being able to share? Isn't a polite thank you enough anymore? Is gratitude only measured in coin? To me it feels like doing volunteering work whilst expecting payment...If you really need the money, I recommend a job.

EDIT: @EnaiSiaion I see we are in agreement on endorsements, apologies for basically copying you. Hadn't read your comment yet. Edited by SjoertJansen
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@SjoertJansen: I hate paid modding for all the same reasons you mentioned, but donations are optional, they won't change the free spirit of modding, and people will not do paid modding here. I suspect as soon as Fallout 4's paid modding scheme is revealed all the people who expect to be paid for their work will go there and leave Nexus.

But donations are completely optional. Some people might want to donate to someone even though they know they don't expect to be "paid". And it's optional both ways since modders themselves can opt-in and out of (accepting) donations. What you are suggesting is we take those options away from people so they will be "forced" to follow our vision of free modding, then that would not be "freedom" much anymore would it?

What I'm suggesting is improvements to the system, so it will work better for people who DO want to donate, and people who DO want to accept donations. For people who don't want to have anything to do with money the experience will be exactly the same.
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