Enclave pretty much defeated at this point?

[EnclaveCommando]

Again the problem is the majority of places they could hideout at were all blasted to hell by the bombs. We are really starting to run out of places for them to hide and build up an army as not just any base will do for you to be able to breed and build an army. Plus the Enclave has a very bad communication structure and even the east coast base doesnt know whats going on in the west coast. Its canon that the Enclave at the point right before the war were very very big and widespread but after the bombs fell they all lost contact with each other and only a few major installations actually went with the Enclave's plans.

 

 

Yes we will see the Enclave again thats a fact. Will they be of any serious significance? No.

Still no proof to support your theory lol, the Pentagon a (MAIN) military installation was nearly untouched by the bombs.. leads to wonder what other installations werent hit(Bombs werent ground detonated to produce the most effective damage), not to mention they were able to cross the U.S by vertibird so it wouldnt really be hard to relink communication to the other military installations. The east coast group didnt know what happened to Navarro as it was classified from them so they wouldnt know only the higher ups. Im also positive they all went along with the Enclaves plans, hell they survived the war because of them so sure theyre were a few that defected but the majority were for the final solution. Fallout 3 as shitty and unbelieveable as it was still gave you the option to destroy the so called "Brotherhood" they left so many holes in the that game i dont see how they even call it lore..

 

Base possibilities are limitless, hell they may even still have a Navy aircraft carriers, batttleships, Area 51 is a massive underground fortress, they also have all of canada as it was annexed

[ModelV]

1. The pentagon had a giant whole in it and probably a lot more structural problems that were either patched by the BoS or we just cant see. Plus again you cannot use just any military installation as an Enclave base. Yes they can use it as a kind of "outpost" like the BoS due but they are unable to breed and build to sufficient numbers to be able to become a real faction. The Oil Rig and Raven Rock(Is that the right name?) were massive many many many times the size of any other bunker and were specially equipped.

 

2. When did they cross the US by vertibird? When did they even cross the US?

 

3. President Eden himself doesnt know what happened Navarro nor the the main Oil rig platform. Much more evidence suggests lack of contact then "classification" which is just a theory made by players of the game with no actual back up or evidence from the game itself.

 

4. fallout is never going to touch Area 51 its a stated fact. Plus Area 51 is a little...overly speculated? Fictionalized? Pick a word. Any word! lol

Edited December 1, 2011 by ModelV

[EnclaveCommando]

1. The pentagon had a giant whole in it and probably a lot more structural problems that were either patched by the BoS or we just cant see. Plus again you cannot use just any military installation as an Enclave base. Yes they can use it as a kind of "outpost" like the BoS due but they are unable to breed and build to sufficient numbers to be able to become a real faction. The Oil Rig and Raven Rock(Is that the right name?) were massive many many many times the size of any other bunker and were specially equipped.

 

2. When did they cross the US by vertibird? When did they even cross the US?

 

3. President Eden himself doesnt know what happened Navarro nor the the main Oil rig platform. Much more evidence suggests lack of contact then "classification" which is just a theory made by players of the game with no actual back up or evidence from the game itself.

 

4. fallout is never going to touch Area 51 its a stated fact. Plus Area 51 is a little...overly speculated? Fictionalized? Pick a word. Any word! lol

 

1. The Pentagon yes had some damage but the facility precentage wise is still majority intact, besides what they did at the purifier they could easily fortify the gaps. Sure you cant just use any military installation as a means of an HQ but with the amount of Knowledge and most advanced tech of anybody else in the wasteland it wouldnt be hard, not to mention they are the U.S goverment obviously they would plan for losing said facilities i doubt they would just give up due to a loss by a degenerate tribal or some 19 year old kid that manages to kill many special forces trained soldiers..

 

2. They obviously had to cross the U.S in order to go from West to East coast...

 

3. President Eden, made only one reference to Fallout 2, that was the Enclave being lead by President Richardson. The oil rig or Navarro wouldnt have been mentioned due to the fact they have absolutely nothing to do with the Player and Eden communication. Eden was a selected advisor to President Richardson and next in line for leadership had Richardson been killed. Colonel Autumn would have also informed the new president of the status of those facilities due to the fact thats where he came from(well not him specificly) but his Father.

 

4. I didnt use area 51 as a specific base for just any reason, its the Air Forces main expiermental weapons tech facility, aswell as a massive installation goin who knows how deep underground id suspect far bigger then raven rock. Very off the beaton path which would be perfect for laying low to build numbers and research.

 

My point being that they could easily come back in a major force but i wouldnt want it to be another rehash of FO3 (which was terrible in terms of story and believeability) Theyre would need to be more forces, depending on how Bethesda writes off the ending of New vegas between all the factions involved there. It would need to be a massive clash between powers say the Midwestern BOS, maybe New supermutant army, NCR or Legion maybe neither. Then have the Enclave be secretly steering the groups to destroy each other and be the last man standing or something new along those lines. In my opinion they are by far the most interesting

[ModelV]

1. And 2 bases, a large number of outposts, the only leaders in that region and a countless number of troops...Thats just 1 incident.

 

2. That base was already there before the war.

 

3. It has been awhile but I do remember that in the conversation with Eden discussing the FEV he mentions that a similar plan was attempted with another group of the Enclave(west coast obviously) and that he didnt know the what happened but from the lack of any effect he assumes that it failed.

 

4.Personally I think Area 51 is nothing special they are just using it to distract people from other secrety things they are doing but lets not getting that.

 

5. I agree here. Having the Enclave be small but still not as powerless as say the remnants would be interesting and a great plot addition. Personally I think id like the Chicago Enclave to go the way of the BoS(Lose contact with the main group then stray off to due their own thing) and the player character was initially a member or could join them. Basically make them what the BoS were in Fallout 1.

Edited December 1, 2011 by ModelV

[minngarm]

ON a side note, I wonder what happened to the navies? Every nation with a fleet keeps the bulk of them at sea at all times in peace, especially when at war. The likely hood of them being destroyed in the attack is extremely slim. Especially Submarines...

[EnclaveCommando]

1. And 2 bases, a large number of outposts, the only leaders in that region and a countless number of troops...Thats just 1 incident.

 

2. That base was already there before the war.

 

3. It has been awhile but I do remember that in the conversation with Eden discussing the FEV he mentions that a similar plan was attempted with another group of the Enclave(west coast obviously) and that he didnt know the what happened but from the lack of any effect he assumes that it failed.

 

4.Personally I think Area 51 is nothing special they are just using it to distract people from other secrety things they are doing but lets not getting that.

 

5. I agree here. Having the Enclave be small but still not as powerless as say the remnants would be interesting and a great plot addition. Personally I think id like the Chicago Enclave to go the way of the BoS(Lose contact with the main group then stray off to due their own thing) and the player character was initially a member or could join them. Basically make them what the BoS were in Fallout 1.

 

Lol im not saying they didnt take losses, hell yeah they took losses, but only to an extent i would say the Number of Enclave killed in fallout 3 could only be a couple 100 at the most and thats pushing it (I doubt the majority of them would just sit on the Oil rig and let it blow lol aswell as the rig had a probably hundreds of Vertibirds). As for the leaders, if the president were killed today they would just bring someone else into his position immediatly following that wouldnt be hard to do aswell it seems there is still some form of congress in the Enclave.

 

(2 Responce) thats not what im saying obviously it was there before the war im saying they had to fly from the west coast across the United states in order to get to that facility.

 

(3 Responce) yes he does talk briefly about the FEV plan that was implemented in the past but i was refering to the Facilities Oil rig, Navarro not the FEV plan

 

(4 Responce) Probably i dont think there are aliens or any of that s*** there but that is where they test prototype aircraft and weapons, and due to the sheer size of the facility id pick that for a logical base for them, there are other places aswell but due to them being the only ones with vertibirds it just fits (Maybe we will see it up and running in the Future Fallout MMorpg coming up by Interplay.

 

(5 Responce) Indeed you can only rehash the Final solution so many times before it just gets lame lol... I think they should be increasing war between other factions playing behind the scenes and when the smoke clears you get to see them emerge on top

[marharth]

If they had a large base at area51 why would they completely ignore Vegas?

[Talwyn224]

Interesting discussion.

 

I think that the Enclave is still out there in the Fallout universe, post 2281.

 

We know ED-E was repaired by an still functioning Enclave base in Chicago.

 

We know that although the Raven Rock and Adams AFB enclave bases were destroyed by the Lone Wanderer and the Capital Wasteland BoS, Elder Lyons says that the Enclave aren't not yet wiped out, hinting that there may be more of them out there.

 

All these are verifiable canon facts via the Fallout Wikipedia.

 

In FO3 we see that the Enclave has well over 20 plus Vertibirds. You see about 6 scattered around the Capital wasteland after Raven Rock is destroyed plus during Take it Back there are another 6 or so to deal with during the battle. I can't recall how many you see at Adams AFB but it's between 6 to 12 VB's either parked on the ground or taking off. All this indicates that the East Coast Enclave were seriously tooled up for business and this begs the question: were all these VB's in storage or were they scattered around the east coast in single bunkers like the remnants hidden bunker up near Jacobs town? I suspect the later which means that in any future Fallout game, there is plenty of scope to include abandoned or perhaps even active Enclave bases. However I'd like to see the Enclave be used far more effectively as a evil force, able to really hurt the players interests if they don't deal with them in time.

 

Chicago is the most obvious place to have the Enclave operating from in any future FO game but as many people here have rightly said, there are dozens of locations in the US which could be potential locales for Enclave bases.

 

From my own PoV, I think the Enclave should take a minor role in any future FO game. I thought they were handled well in FONV with the remnants story line. You get to learn enough back story about them but you know that at least in the core region, the Enclave are just a scary story now used to frighten kiddies and not a force capable of doing anything significant to the major factions who inhabit the core region of the south west of the US.