CTD after startup

[Tertisentar]

So, I've been trying various things for hours etc, but I can't seem to nail it.

 

The issue is that when I start Skyrim (SKSE) through the Mod Manager I always CTD after the game has finished loading, right when the menu, mist, and song of epic things are supposed to appear.

 

It is not before when Beth's cogwheel logo does its thing, as one'd expect when masters are missing. I have (re)bashed and (re)procced the entire list twice, and TES5edit loads the plugins without issue. But when I activate SKSE through the Skyrim Folder (as opposed though MO) the game starts instantly, so I guess that does mean it has to be somewhere in MO still.

 

Most of the stuff is from a STEP extended install, to which I added PerMa, Realism mods, immersive things, and a couple of miscellaneous things.

 

System is Win7 with i5, 16GB RAM and a GTX 970 3.5GB VRAM card, in case that helps.

 

[Load Order]

Copied from LOOT, the plugins without number are bsa dummies or were merged into the house/follower/etc esps

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

3 3 Dawnguard.esm

4 4 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

5 5 HearthFires.esm

6 6 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

7 7 Dragonborn.esm

8 8 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

9 9 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

10 a Falskaar.esm

11 b Wyrmstooth.esp

12 c Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

13 d ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

14 e MFVM.esm

15 f WinterholdDestruction.esm

16 10 CompanionArissa.esm

17 11 daymoyl.esm

18 12 LB_MuchAdoSnowElves.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

19 13 Cutting Room Floor.esp

20 14 SkyUI.esp

21 15 Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp

22 16 TradeBarter.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

23 17 iHUD.esp

24 18 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

25 19 RaceMenu.esp

26 1a RaceMenuPlugin.esp

27 1b ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp

SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp

SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp

SMIM-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

28 1c Footprints.esp

29 1d Moss Rocks.esp

30 1e Moss Rocks_DB.esp

31 1f 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

32 20 Beards.esp

33 21 Miscellaneous Merge.esp

northern_encounters2.esp

34 22 Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp

35 23 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp

36 24 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

37 25 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

38 26 Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp

39 27 Rigmor.esp

40 28 ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp

41 29 Helgen Reborn.esp

42 2a SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.esp

43 2b RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp

44 2c BirdsHFclean.esp

45 2d Point The Way.esp

46 2e RealisticWaterTwo.esp

47 2f RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp

48 30 Brows.esp

49 31 ORM-Arvak.esp

50 32 WetandCold.esp

Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

51 33 Elemental Staves.esp

GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp

52 34 BFSEffects.esp

53 35 DawnguardRuneWeaponsFXSReplacer.esp

54 36 mintylightningmod.esp

55 37 Rainbows.esp

56 38 ShootingStars.esp

Soul Gems Differ - NS.esp

57 39 ADS.esp

58 3a AOS.esp

59 3b Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp

60 3c dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

61 3d IHSS.esp

62 3e randomthunder.esp

63 3f Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

64 40 Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

65 41 Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp

66 42 Convenient Horses.esp

67 43 Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp

68 44 Lock Overhaul.esp

69 45 SMDropLitTorch.esp

Traps Make Noise.esp

70 46 WetandCold - Ashes.esp

71 47 When Vampires Attack.esp

72 48 WM Trap Fixes.esp

73 49 Dual Sheath Redux.esp

74 4a VioLens.esp

75 4b Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp

76 4c Extended UI.esp

77 4d LessIntrusiveHUD.esp

78 4e RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp

79 4f RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp

80 50 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-2.esp

81 51 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

82 52 3DNPC.esp

83 53 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

84 54 ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

85 55 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

86 56 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

87 57 BetterQuestObjectives.esp

88 58 aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp

89 59 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

90 5a RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp

91 5b BlackthornManor.esp

92 5c SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp

93 5d Abode Merges.esp

94 5e Civil War Overhaul.esp

95 5f RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

96 60 Forsworn Campaign.esp

97 61 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

98 62 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

Forgotten Dungeons.esp

99 63 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

100 64 Follower Merge.esp

101 65 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp

102 66 Undeath.esp

103 67 Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged - No Map Markers.esp

104 68 AnnaNPCs.esp

105 69 zMirai.esp

106 6a Hebrock_Der Schatten von Meresis - EV.esp

107 6b Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

108 6c Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp

109 6d EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp

110 6e Inigo.esp

111 6f AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

112 70 Inconsequential NPCs.esp

113 71 HarvestOverhaul.esp

ClamsDropPearls.esp

114 72 dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp

115 73 DragonShoutVoice.esp

116 74 BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp

117 75 Improved Container Names.esp

118 76 RND_USKP-Patch.esp

119 77 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

120 78 TheChoiceIsYours.esp

121 79 ImmersiveQuesting.esp

122 7a Run For Your Lives.esp

123 7b Cloaks.esp

RiversideLodge.esp

124 7c CFTO.esp

125 7d SFO - Dragonborn.esp

126 7e Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

127 7f Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

128 80 Thunderchild - Wyrmstooth Compatibility Patch.esp

129 81 CCF_RND_Patch.esp

130 82 BrhuceLegacy.esp

131 83 LB_MuchAdoSnowElves_Quest.esp

Emily.esp

Underwater_Treasure.esp

Long lost smelters by Hyralux.esp

132 84 Bring Out Your Dead.esp

133 85 Immersive Patrols II.esp

134 86 SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp

NonEssentialChildren.esp

135 87 MatureSkinComplexions.esp

136 88 MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp

137 89 VendorSaleDelay-Gone.esp

Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp

138 8a Immersive Weapons.esp

139 8b WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp

140 8c DBM_IWIA_Patch.esp

aGreyLedgeManorLITE.esp

RavenNest_1.2.esp

141 8d DBM_IW_Patch.esp

142 8e CompanionValfar.esp

143 8f ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

SMIM-ShackRoofFixes.esp

144 90 AgentOfRighteousMight.esp

145 91 Jotunheim.esp

146 92 HothFollower.esp

147 93 HearthfireChimneys.esp

Ayfertehuis.esp

Forgotten DungeonsDLC.esp

148 94 HoamaiiClearskyHideout.esp

Moonwatch Manor.esp

Routa.esp

herman.esp

149 95 Chesko_Frostfall.esp

150 96 SofiaFollower.esp

Vellamo.esp

151 97 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp

152 98 WheelsOfLull.esp

153 99 Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp

154 9a RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp

155 9b 3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp

156 9c Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Sicarius' Refuge - DLC.esp

157 9d Atvir.esp

HarvestOverhaulCreatures_RND_Animal_Loot_All_DLC.esp

158 9e RND_AnimalLoot.esp

159 9f daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp

Dovah Vault.esp

160 a0 BCS - ISB - PERMA Patch.esp

161 a1 ImprovedSkillBooks.esp

162 a2 DBM_CCOR_patch.esp

Thorald GreyMane.esp

163 a3 arnima.esp

PilgrimsDelight.esp

164 a4 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

165 a5 DBM_IA_Patch.esp

166 a6 CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp

167 a7 CanalHomeM.esp

168 a8 ESFAela.esp

TheClockworkAdventure.esp

ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp

169 a9 OrsiniumMod.esp

170 aa summersetisles.esp

171 ab Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp

172 ac ESFCompanions.esp

173 ad Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

Toccata.esp

Celestine.esp

174 ae SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp

SMIM-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp

Sabrina.esp

175 af Immersive Citizens - CRF patch.esp

176 b0 Sara.esp

177 b1 3DNPC - Winterhold Mods Patch.esp

178 b2 MoonAndStar_Undeath_compat.esp

179 b3 BlockSparkles.esp

Gildergreen Regrown.esp

180 b4 WolfFollower.esp

181 b5 PerkusMaximus_Master.esp

182 b6 PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp

183 b7 Pre PaMa WAFR CCF CCOR Wintermyst Patch.esp

184 b8 PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp

Nihel.esp

185 b9 Animated Weapon Enchants.esp

186 ba Paralyze.esp

187 bb Dead Body Collision.esp

188 bc PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp

189 bd Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp

190 be BetterQuestObjectives-PerMaPatch.esp

191 bf PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp

192 c0 TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp

193 c1 FireAndIceOverhaul.esp

3DNPC Don't Call Me Dragonborn.esp

Dice Game in Taverns.esp

rtZuleikaFollower.esp

194 c2 ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp

Chesko_Step418_SN.esp

195 c3 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

196 c4 Apocalypse - Dragonborn Staff Crafting.esp

197 c5 Apocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp

198 c6 Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp

199 c7 Wind Destruction.esp

XavierNecromancerFollower.esp

200 c8 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

201 c9 imp_helm_legend.esp

202 ca DBM_WAFR Patch.esp

203 cb PerMaExtendedPerkDescriptions.esp

204 cc Thunderchild - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp

205 cd Apocalypse-PerMa-DefluffedPerkDescriptions.esp

206 ce 3DNPC Followers Perk Addon - PerMa Edition.esp

AFT_iNPCFix.esp

207 cf ClassicClasses.esp

208 d0 Clothing & Clutter_3DNPC_Patch.esp

209 d1 ForgottenMagic_Redone_PerMa Patch.esp

PerMa-Content Addon Patch.esp

210 d2 PerMa_Survivalism.esp

211 d3 PerMa_USKP master patch.esp

TwoRings.esp

212 d4 Throwing_Weapons_Redux.esp

Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp

213 d5 Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp

214 d6 LockOverhaulandPerma.esp

215 d7 ABT - Merged options.esp

216 d8 Bound Armory.esp

217 d9 Pre PaMa Bound Armory Patch.esp

218 da Wyrmstooth - PerMa Patch.esp

ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +25%.esp

ABT - Increased Bolts Damage (Vanilla) +50%.esp

219 db Better Vampires.esp

220 dc ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp

221 dd Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +50%.esp

ABT - Increased Progressive Damage (with Nord Hero Arrow) +50%.esp

ABT - Loot Arrows +50%.esp

ABT - Merchants Arrows +25%.esp

ABT - Recover +10% Arrows and Bolts.esp

222 de Forsworn Start.esp

HothFollower UFO Patch.esp

223 df BloodmoonRising.esp

224 e0 FollowerAsCompforFllrMods.esp

SeranaDialogEdit.esp

UD_Serana.esp

225 e1 HelmetToggle2.02b.esp

ComplementaryCompanions.esp

226 e2 SleepTight.esp

227 e3 SimpleTaxes.esp

228 e4 EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp

229 e5 RelightingSkyrim_Legendary.esp

Erandur Redone.esp

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

230 e6 1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp

231 e7 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-NoGuards.esp

232 e8 BCS - CCOR Patch.esp

233 e9 BCSLL-SKYREorPERMA Patch.esp

234 ea TCIY-BCS Patch.esp

235 eb ELE_Legendary_Fs_Wt_Lite.esp

236 ec Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp

237 ed STEP Extended Patch.esp

238 ee Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

239 ef BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

240 f0 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

241 f1 ASIS-Dependency.esp

242 f2 PatchusMaximus.esp

243 f3 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

244 f4 ASIS.esp

[/Load Order]

 

Actually, so, I trial'd out the following information:

 

About half the follower mods included here cause the issue (the others do not), and the issue also occurs when in the left pane, Realistic Force is loaded before XPMS. So I'm suspecting there's a thing with the skeleton.nif going on. Anyone has advice on that?

 

I tried one load with followers and without Realistic Force but that CTD'd, rerunning FNIS also solved nothing.

Edited September 19, 2015 by Uncl T

[Tertisentar]

So basically, removing Vilja and Anna NPC's from the list circumvents the CTD, though I still have no idea why or what exactly the conflict is. That, however, does not solve all issues. Before proccing the game would load to the menu, as expected, but that's of course not a order that can be played. But having redone all the bashes and proccs the game now loads past the logo and the ENB information, only to be perpetually stuck in an infinite view of the dragon. (This is before it starts rotating which I have a mod installed for and before the mist appears).

 

Anyone any hints as to what's (still) going on now?

[ZelenEagle]

the crashing right after the bethesda logo means most of the time that you're missing a file, us MO to find wich one that's the fastest way to find it, maybe SafetyLoad helps with the screen getting stuck on the dragon (i've never seen that before thou)

Or maybe your game died because it was too immersive :D

[Tertisentar]

It's not a file missing, to be certain.

 

I managed to bypass that issue by disabling ASIS.ep, god knows why. But since, I haven't been able to actually start a new game; the game loads infinitely, freezes, or upon disabling a few heavy mods (e.g. Legacy), CTD's. I guess the issue must be in memory somewhere, but I can't figure out how or why?

I tried SafetyLoad even though the SSME is already installed... it is not making a difference.

[ZelenEagle]

i can''t really help you any further then (you just use a lod of mods that i don't know a lot about so there's a chance i'd make it worse)

[ironbender800]

Create and SKSE INI file and add in the memory allocation. Just google this or youtube. OR you can download the INI from nexus. Type SKSE in the search bar and you will see pre download for lazy users. Merge that into your SKSE mod that has the scripts. Should prevent infinite loading screens.

[ironbender800]

you are also running a VERY heavy mod list that can definitely cause performance issues even with a powerful system like yours. But the SKSE ini file will prevent the infinite loading screen. Also look into memory blocks log. Wouldnt be surprised if your running out of memory.

 

Your load order also isnt correct. Check the PCaPP faq on correct load order for perma

[Tertisentar]

Thanks for the help guys!

 

The SKSE ini is active, firstborn sacrificed and all that. I did alter my load order according to the PCaPP faq, thanks.

 

I had deactivated all mods and started incrementally readding, and so far I'm able to start. Trying to avoid a bunch of the optionals to decrease the load in any case. Haven't yet found the mod/tipping point for the infinite load issue :/

 

Atm, regularly (but not always) the game freezes after the test subject moves a certain distance. Readjusting the load order didn't alleviate the problem, now I'm checking between the mods currently active what could be the deal.

Ed: Actually, it seems to occur in Western Skyrim - when I get dropped in the Rift or Winterhold I fly around more freely

Edited September 20, 2015 by Uncl T

[ironbender800]

yeah the load order wont fix that. You need to remove a few taxing mods. Thats the solution.

 

you have a TON of NPC mods, skyrim flora, tons of scripts, a new world mod, youve just gotta ease up a little. Particularly on the npc mods. I know the world in vanilla is a little empty but skyrim has a crappy engine and your pushing it. Eliminate a few that you can live without and retest.

 

I only mentioned load order so you know.