Prescripted Drug Use in Children

[poopgoblin]

Oh? Then what's this?

 

I support child abuse.

 

 

you know what? until you want to stop mis-quoting and attacking me, you have nothing to say to me. you call me immature, yet you mis-quote me and make personal attacks? grow up.

[Peregrine]

OK, I'm gonna come right out and say what I should have said before, and this is ONLY my opinion - I HATE drugs. From my own lifestyle, I've never been one to use any kind of pill to make me feel better, not even aspirin. But now, I've been prescribed Celexa for anxiety that my family doctor diagnosed me with. I suppose I'm partly to blame, since I told him I get anxious every once in a while, when in fact, I rarely, if ever, get anxious at all.

 

Fine, that's your personal preference. You have no right to impose that on other people.

 

 

My standpoint also stems from my religious beliefs. I had a very low opinion of healthcare from the time I could comprehend what was going on, and my Christian faith diminished that further. I know this isn't supposed be about religion, but this is my reason for my views. I would much rather put my faith and trust in God than to put them in someone who may or may not know what they're doing. I really don't care if any of you believe in God, or are agonostic or atheist or whatever you want to believe, this is my view.

 

So in other words, you're a complete moron. Go ahead, put your faith in god when you have a serious disease or injury. Reject that secular doctor's help, and trust your imaginary friend in the sky. I'm sure your church will say a pretty little prayer at your funeral when you DIE.

 

And don't make this about religion, I have religious friends. None of them share your absurd lack of trust in modern medicine. There is nothing in any religious text I've ever heard of that says "thou shalt be an idiot and die", so don't hide behind your religion.

 

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My point is sometimes the professionals make mistakes, sometimes at the cost of another life. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to make a decision without consent from the gov't, but I believe there should at least be some guidelines in place to ensure doctors will make a proper diagnosis, even though it may be nigh impossible.

 

Those guidelines already exist you ******* idiot. Do you think medical schools just hand out licenses for nothing? That any random person can call themselves a doctor without any training? To be a doctor, you have to meet incredibly strict standards. And it's not just a one-time thing, if you screw up you can have your license revoked permanently.

 

Since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, I'll give you a personal example. I'm not a doctor, but I'm an engineering student (aerospace engineering). That means a four year university degree, with some hard classes and high failure rates. Fail this part, and you don't even think about calling yourself an engineer. Then you have to take a certification test to get your license. And even that is just enough to get you in at the lowest levels, you aren't going to get a job where you're responsible for peoples' safety until you have real-world experience. Finally, you're held accountable to those same standards for your entire career (including a code of ethics). Break them and you get your license revoked.

 

Doctors have even stricter requirements, and need years of medical school beyond what I have to do. So saying there aren't any guidelines is just willful ignorance. Or maybe we should ignore the judgement of the trained professionals and let the politicians make the rules?

 

I know what I'm about to say may sound rather cruel and anti-life, but sometimes, a person may be fated to not live past the age of 20, either because their ailment will kill them while doctors try their hardest to make a proper diagnosis, or because the doctors make a "guessed" diagnosis and prescribe a drug that may very well result in that person's death. I know this sounds like I hate life, but I don't, because sometimes, that's just the way things are.

 

What a wonderful little sociopath you are. Allow me to present a more ethically correct view: just because you think someone is "fated" to die before they're 20 doesn't mean we give up on them. The whole idea of "fate" as a reason to give up is just fundamentally flawed, fate doesn't exist. But go ahead and live in your primitive society where diseases are just fate and a curse from god, and nobody tries to defy "fate" and improve their lives. You won't be missed.

 

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In all, my opinion of society in general is very low. We have become so dependant upon the so-called "almighty wonder pill", a cure-all and end-all of all disease, which, I can tell you right here and now, doesn't exist, and never will exist. And in the meantime, we have become so detatched from one another that nobody really cares about their neightbours or even their family.

 

Or how about a better idea: modern medical science has produced the "wonder pill" you have so much contempt for. Like it or not, we've found ways to cure problems people could only dream of a hundred years ago. It's called progress, and worthless little sociopaths like you have no right to deny it to others just because you can't understand it.

 

edit: how could I miss this brilliant bit of "wisdom"?

 

I have social conservative beliefs (such marriage is between a man and woman, not between two people,

 

So now you're a bigot as well as a sociopath. Here's a hint for you: if you don't want a marriage between two men, DON'T GET ONE. Stop worrying about what happens in everyone else's bedroom and go find yourself some moral standards.

[ninja_lord666]

Oh? Then what's this?

 

I support child abuse.

 

you know what? until you want to stop mis-quoting and attacking me, you have nothing to say to me. you call me immature, yet you mis-quote me and make personal attacks? grow up.

This is one instance where I agree with poopgoblin. You are proving yourself a hypocrite, Peregrine, by calling poopgoblin immature yet you are playing games by making fictitious quotes and changing poopgoblin's name to "poopgoblin the abuser" and "I hit children" within those quotes. Poopgoblin simply chose his user name to be something from an immature flash video. However, I do agree that hitting a child, even spanking, could easily be considered abuse.

[Peregrine]

i have no real argument and concede to peregrine, i'm a worthless sociopath who thinks child abuse is fun

 

Good, concession accepted.

 

This is one instance where I agree with poopgoblin. You are proving yourself a hypocrite, Peregrine, by calling poopgoblin immature yet you are playing games by making fictitious quotes and changing poopgoblin's name to "poopgoblin the abuser" and "I hit children" within those quotes. Poopgoblin simply chose his user name to be something from an immature flash video. However, I do agree that hitting a child, even spanking, could easily be considered abuse.

 

Nah, it's not hypocrisy. He has outlived his usefulness in this debate, and deserves nothing but our contempt and mocking. I have no intention of taking him seriously anymore, "I think a good backhand would solve the problem" was all we need to know his worthlessness in modern society.

[ninja_lord666]

Nah, it's not hypocrisy. He has outlived his usefulness in this debate, and deserves nothing but our contempt and mocking. I have no intention of taking him seriously anymore, "I think a good backhand would solve the problem" was all we need to know his worthlessness in modern society.

 

I do agree that violence is not the anwer to life's problems, but that doesn't warrant willful mockery of him. Just because you disagree doesn't mean he's wrong and doesn't give you the right to make a fool of him. He should still be allowed to plead his case no matter what you say. Dispite your own narcissism, you are not almighty; you are not always right, so stop acting like it.

[ResidentWeevil2077]

I never, not once ever, tried to impose my beliefs or my views upon anyone, Peregrine. I couldn't care less what the world does to itself. And by "world", I mean the people living in it. I simply wanted the people's opinions, not that anything could be done about this issue anyway.

 

You want everyone to look at your views and agree with you, yet when someone tries to state their opinions and disagrees with you, you shoot them down and practically tear them to shreds. So what if you see my views and opinions as wrong? I DON'T CARE.

 

And also I don't care if your a rocket scientist or what, with that kind of attitude you've been putting on display, I'd be suprised if they made you a lead engineer of NASA's aerospace program.

[poopgoblin]

However, I do agree that hitting a child, even spanking, could easily be considered abuse.

 

well, that's your opinion and i respect it. true, it can be considered abusive to hit a child for doing almost nothing wrong or without giving them fair warning, but sometimes you need to hit your kid. Not especially hard, mind you, the point isn't to cause pain, its to put them in their place. Also, age needs to be considered. If you've got a toodler giving you problems, they probably don't know any better so a time-out will suffice. on the other hand lets use this example:

 

Ninja_lord666, who is sixteen and knows the difference between right and wrong, comes home from school one day and calls his mom a b***h. if i were his father, i'd backhand him.

 

although if i called MY mom that she'd probably backhand kill me.

 

if you think spanking and a backhanding are abusive, stop being a *kittie kittie*. i remember getting spanked once, it wasn't fun, but in the words of Hebrews 12:11, "No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it."

 

Not trying to get religious here, but also, Job 5:18, "For He wounds, but He also binds up; He injures, but His hands also heal." That's like how you should treat your kids. Discipline them, but also console them afterwards, tell them what they did and why they shouldn't do it, and that you love them. Sometimes you have to hurt those you love, but its for the greater good. Now for my chemistry homework.

[Peregrine]

I never, not once ever, tried to impose my beliefs or my views upon anyone, Peregrine. I couldn't care less what the world does to itself. And by "world", I mean the people living in it. I simply wanted the people's opinions, not that anything could be done about this issue anyway.

 

Oh really... then what is this?

 

"I believe there should at least be some guidelines in place to ensure doctors will make a proper diagnosis, even though it may be nigh impossible."

 

Sure sounds like you're claiming we need more laws to make sure doctors obey your beliefs. I think that qualifies as "imposing your beliefs on others".

 

 

You want everyone to look at your views and agree with you, yet when someone tries to state their opinions and disagrees with you, you shoot them down and practically tear them to shreds. So what if you see my views and opinions as wrong? I DON'T CARE.

 

You're right. I want everyone to look at my views and agree with me because they are correct and supported by the facts. I don't want unquestioning obedience, that's just stupid. If people want to disagree with me, that's fine, I'll tell them point by point why their disagreements are wrong.

 

If you don't like that, too bad. It's not my fault you can't properly defend your claims. If I'm having such an easy time of tearing them to shreds, maybe you should consider that a hint that you don't really have much support for them?

 

And also I don't care if your a rocket scientist or what, with that kind of attitude you've been putting on display, I'd be suprised if they made you a lead engineer of NASA's aerospace program.

 

Lucky for me, I don't have so much of an ego that I think I could get that job in the forseeable future. But here's a hint: attitude and professional competence are two entirely different things. I'd rather have a rude and disrespectful engineer designing my plane than a polite and incompetent one. Hurt feelings go away, the same is not true of dying after catastrophic structural failure.

 

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As for your personal story, it's just stupid. Lets look at the sequence of events:

 

1) You decided you have problems with anxiety and went to see a doctor.

 

2) The doctor listened to your story, decided it matched the known symptoms, and prescribed a drug that helps with anxiety.

 

3) You took it, and it probably resolved whatever minor problems you have.

 

Now, where is the mistake? The doctor did exactly what you asked him to! If you don't think the anxiety was enough of a problem to need medical treatment, why the hell did you ask a doctor for it?

 

well, that's your opinion and i respect it. true, it can be considered abusive to hit a child for doing almost nothing wrong or without giving them fair warning, but sometimes you need to hit your kid. Not especially hard, mind you, the point isn't to cause pain, its to put them in their place.

 

This is only "needed" if you enjoy child abuse, or are too stupid and/or lazy to find a solution that doesn't involve violence.

 

if you think spanking and a backhanding are abusive, stop being a *kittie kittie*. i remember getting spanked once, it wasn't fun, but in the words of Hebrews 12:11, "No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it."

 

Not trying to get religious here, but also, Job 5:18, "For He wounds, but He also binds up; He injures, but His hands also heal." That's like how you should treat your kids. Discipline them, but also console them afterwards, tell them what they did and why they shouldn't do it, and that you love them. Sometimes you have to hurt those you love, but its for the greater good. Now for my chemistry homework.

 

 

Ah, bible quotes. Just like I expected, you're going to pick and choose from the bible to support your beliefs. Why not go all the way? I bet you probably eat fish (at least once in your life), I believe the bible had something to say about being stoned to death for that?

[ninja_lord666]

if you think spanking and a backhanding are abusive, stop being a *kittie kittie*. i remember getting spanked once, it wasn't fun, but in the words of Hebrews 12:11, "No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it."

 

Not trying to get religious here, but also, Job 5:18, "For He wounds, but He also binds up; He injures, but His hands also heal." That's like how you should treat your kids. Discipline them, but also console them afterwards, tell them what they did and why they shouldn't do it, and that you love them. Sometimes you have to hurt those you love, but its for the greater good. Now for my chemistry homework.

 

Religious quotes don't mean anything to many people. Many people nowadays are atheist or agnostic. But the most that aren't, aren't devoted enough to care. Only a few people would be moved by it.

 

As for the abuse, there are more modern ways to punish a kid that don't involve hitting that are just as, if not more, effective that spanking or backhanding: confiscate video games, cell phones, computer privileges, deny socialising with friends, etc. If I were hit for doing something wrong, I would think I got off easy.

[Switch]

Peregrine... oh forget it, why do I bother trying? Flaming, trolling, immature ranting. Repeated breaking of the rules. If you were an angsty teen maybe I'd be a little more understanding, but... what excuse do you have? You're a grown man for pity's sake.

 

Before you start spouting that ridiculous tract again, I do not have a vendetta against you. You are simply a repeat offender. I tend to respond to repeat offenders, well, repeatedly, as I am a moderator and that's what I do. Makes sense doesn't it? :ohmy: As far as I can see no-one else in this thread has been shooting their mouths off and throwing insults around. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Poopgoblin, please don't quote biblical texts here or speak of religious things... we're not anti-religion (I'm Christian myself) but it tends to do more harm than good due to certain posters reacting poorly, so it's banned in these forums.

 

I'm not going to close this yet, in the vain hope that you'll cool down, Peregrine. By cool down I mean don't call people morons, idiots, worthless sociopaths, or anything of the kind. If you continue I'll just remove your posts.