Who are you voting for?

[WursWaldo]

I expected nothing less in a Nexus debate thread. *shrugs*

[murderface8]

Sanders if he manages to get the nomination, Trump if ends up him vs Hillary.

 

It's gonna be Trump vs one of those two, if it's Trump then at least it'll be fun to watch and if it's Sanders he might actually do something for the people.

 

Either way we end up with someone who's not a part of the inner circle of either party, and right now an outsider is exactly what we need.

[WursWaldo]

Sanders scares me, not him intrinsically but the people who might vote for him. Socialism is a good idea. 90% taxes are a good idea. Weak foreign policy is a good idea. The problem with all of that is they are not good ideas. Socialism; look at Greece. 90% taxes; look at France. Foreign policy; look at Obama's track record.

The 'big' problem will be 90% taxes. Right now idealist are thinking that means 90% taxation on rich white people, who are the 'enemy' along with the police. Then the reality will hit that it's 90% taxes on everyone, not just the fat rich white man. This will be a replay of ObamaCare where Millennials thought the idea of 'free health care' was a good one when rich white people were going to be the ones who paid for it. Then the other shoe dropped and they realized that they were going to be the ones to pay for it, and continue to pay for it well past Obama's fantastical 8 years and well into their own retirement years. Suddenly ObamaCare isn't a good idea and they rebuke the notion by refusing to register for it; like that will make a difference. Apropos "You have to pass the law to know what's in it." This will also be true for 90% taxes. The people who want this for others will realize it hits them too, and then it will no longer be a good idea. Again it will be too late, with the added humiliation of people who can afford to leave the U.S. will, manufacturers will flee and take those jobs with them and corporations will fold or reorganize.

 

Of course what I've typed won't sway anyone and it invites disaster for this thread or any level of reasonable discussion. That doesn't invalidate my observations though.

[HeyYou]

Bernie, just like the rest of the DC crowd, doesn't have a clue. What they fail to understand is, it isn't wages, per se, that is the problem. It's the JOBS. Raising minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour isn't going to do a damn thing. All it is going to do is raise the minimum income that defines 'poverty'. The so called "free trade" agreements it was is trashing the middle class. Tax breaks for 'creating jobs in developing nations', I.E. moving american jobs overseas, was flat out stupid as well, and you just know the folks in DC knew exactly what was going to happen with that, and they did it anyway. Puts more money into THEIR pockets RIGHT NOW. Doesn't seem to matter to them that by doing so, they are bankrupting our country, and destroying the lives of those they expect to vote for them. (and yet, those folks STILL vote for them???? This goes back to my earlier point about the box of rocks.)

 

He is correct in that the rich and powerful have arranged the rules by which they play, enormously in their favor. But, that's what you get when politicians can be bought and sold just like stocks on the market..... Unless/until campaign finance is seriously changed, nothing else is going to change either. THAT is the root of almost ALL of our problems here.

[bben46]

 

Unless/until campaign finance is seriously changed, nothing else is going to change either. THAT is the root of almost ALL of our problems here.

Unfortunately, Sanders is the ONLY candidate from any party that even wants to do anything about this. Take your pick Socialist Sanders (and the 90% tax on everyone is total BS from his enemies) or Hillary - who has already sold out to the big banks or Trump who does not even live in my world. ( I seriously doubt he could pump his own gas if his life depended on it)

 

I would very much have preferred Elizabeth Warren as a candidate - but she is smart enough to not want the job.

[WursWaldo]

Socialist Sanders (and the 90% tax on everyone is total BS from his enemies)

Apology for quoting you out of context.

If the 90% tax doesn't apply to everyone, is that fair and equitable? I've lived under the boot of a Socialist/Marxist regime so I know from first hand experience that if it only applies to 'those whom can afford it' then those people will leave, since they have the means (what my father did). To the best of my knowledge Sanders hasn't clarified who will be squashed with 90% taxation (the unsaid implication meaning it will be everyone).

If in fact there is a differentiation then his proposed policy has an inherent problem; the rich white people he wants to pay for it won't be here. They have the means and will flee like any reasonable person would in their position. They will watch from afar as American society implodes. The mythical Bilderbergs and rich white people will escape unscathed. That leaves the rest of us holding the bag; a bag that is 90% less full.

[TheVampireDante]

 

or Trump who does not even live in my world. ( I seriously doubt he could pump his own gas if his life depended on it)

 

Too busy trying to stop that hamster he's got glued to his head escaping.

[WursWaldo]

It's not a hamster. It's a rare subspecies of dyed ginger tarantula road kill. And that shine is not glue, it melted toupee tape.

[sunshinenbrick]

Surely all of this is still just showboating and red herrings. At this stage I'm not sure the politicians have a clue whats going on, listening to most of the front cabinets makes me cringe both sides of the Atlantic and beyond.

 

Hmm... now, who, what, and where are those private bankers?? :ermm:

[MajKrAzAm]

Trump's campaign is a dream come true. He has shifted the overton window of political discussion 'rightward' and has destroyed the modern GOP of neocons, pseudo-conservatives, and bow-tie wearing libertarians. Finally, the USA gets a populist candidate.

 

Trump is supposed to be the narcissist blowhard celebrity candidate, and yet he is the only one who's introduced an issue into this campaign - and the most important issue of all: national survival.