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I will probably side with BoS because the institute was unbearable in-game - the music, the confusing corridors, ah. I wanted to rip my nuts off. BoS has decent characters, some cool armor, comfy airship. I'll probably replay the game or reload an earlier savefile to finish the institute quest as well.

 

And while I would probably side with the institute in real life, it doesn't feel very heroic to do so as the protagonist I am playing as, or for any matter at all. Long-term benefits are rarely what we consider heroic in real life by any standards - the heroes are always those that sacrificed long-term for short-term gain for the people. In this case, short-term would be BoS (because they take care of problems in the Wasteland, but they don't fix them) and long-term would be the institute (because they work on the long-term solutions while ultimately ignoring short-term problems, which is why Father also hid that Virgil f*cked sh*t up).

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And while I would probably side with the institute in real life, it doesn't feel very heroic to do so as the protagonist I am playing as, or for any matter at all. Long-term benefits are rarely what we consider heroic in real life by any standards - the heroes are always those that sacrificed long-term for short-term gain for the people. In this case, short-term would be BoS (because they take care of problems in the Wasteland, but they don't fix them) and long-term would be the institute (because they work on the long-term solutions while ultimately ignoring short-term problems, which is why Father also hid that Virgil f*cked sh*t up).

 

 

This mostly and this is why. Look realty isn't pretty and tough decisions must be made. Someone pointed out to me there are three types of Government and they are Shadow, Business, and Federal. This damn nears shows this. To that beautiful Utopia we all want the wasteland to be you have to suck up the fact that your wife (husband), child, and truly you died for a greater cause. The Institute is what the real world the dark work that must be done today to preserve the future tomorrow. Seeing as tomorrow never comes this is an everyday thing. The BoS represents our blind demands with little thought of the repercussions. The twitters, junk food, music, lifestyle and whatever else come fourth. Once these things are threaten to change we explode willing to kill everything for nothing to change. The railroad….doesn’t even matter.

 

So I go with The Institution, it is not pretty but it’s the road to what is. I will die and have a system where our actions die when the new road of change takes place.

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Cotangent with this discussion... What happens if, after you meet Paladin Danse, you ignore the BoS, staying on relatively good terms with them, until after completing the Nuclear Option with the Minutemen? Can you then still also join the BoS? In that instance, since the BoS never got the data from the Institute, does Maxson never order you to go after Danse? Wheels within wheels, man... =0[.]o=

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I haven't picked a final side yet as I'm stagnating the "end game" on purpose. That said, I'm torn about what to do. I was playing a female character so while she was REALLY hating on the institute, now that she's met Father she's torn as to what to believe. She never liked the Brotherhood from the second she met the Elder because he just rubbed her pre-war sensibilities the wrong way. She agrees with helping people but she won't just tow the line and do the job without context. She likes the Minutemen but has grown to hate them because they're a bunch of whiny idiots that couldn't defend a village from a single molerat without someone holding their hand. So, currently I'm leaning towards the Institute but I'm not happy about that choice. I'd like to pick the Railroad but honestly they only exist to oppose the Institute and have no real goals beyond that. The Minutemen are more aimed at holding together the region than the Railroad is. The Railroad is pretty much the "dud" choice.

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I haven't picked a final side yet as I'm stagnating the "end game" on purpose. That said, I'm torn about what to do. I was playing a female character so while she was REALLY hating on the institute, now that she's met Father she's torn as to what to believe. She never liked the Brotherhood from the second she met the Elder because he just rubbed her pre-war sensibilities the wrong way. She agrees with helping people but she won't just tow the line and do the job without context. She likes the Minutemen but has grown to hate them because they're a bunch of whiny idiots that couldn't defend a village from a single molerat without someone holding their hand. So, currently I'm leaning towards the Institute but I'm not happy about that choice. I'd like to pick the Railroad but honestly they only exist to oppose the Institute and have no real goals beyond that. The Minutemen are more aimed at holding together the region than the Railroad is. The Railroad is pretty much the "dud" choice.

That what the RR stand for. They take from the old RL RR which freed black slaves. Doing more seems out of character. I picked because Bos, MM and In were just so dramatic.

 

If you want a small group that packs a punch and not scared from the big boys, okay with the color brown and not being the leader, pick them. However, they are secretive at the start. And also, they go against the Bos and have a quest for them. You will also have the choice to betray them many times with the institute if you changed your mind.

 

They also rock cool looking, heavy armored coats and a charismatic rifle that says choo choo every time you reload and pins your enemies to the wall. They also don't rain quests at you as much as the MM.

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Regarding the compatibility of the Minutemen and Brotherhood:

I went pretty far in the quests for the Minutemen and Brotherhood up to the point of destroying the Institute but I picked the BOS to "seal the deal" because leading an assault with Liberty Prime is just too fun. He's much too 'Murica and he's so over the top :laugh: With the BOS when you destroy the Institute, if you got Dr Li back, she's not going to like you destroying the Institute. If you killed everyone at the Institute (which I did, including the fake son/synth which earlier angrily turned me away and then tries to get you to save him in the end... which I left behind for the nuclear fires), Preston gives you a bit of crap for that, but I'm the MM General so he has to STFU and take it anyways.

 

The only thing I regretted about nuking the Institute was not being able to do it twice.

 

It seems the MM and BOS can exist together at endgame in a Post-Institute era from what I've seen. The Brotherhood and MM still conduct their patrols in the Commonwealth. You can even see 2 members of the BOS on a supply run at Diamond City Marketplace though one of the members thinks it's more of a "Good Will" gesture.

 

 

I didn't go very far in the Railroad questline after joining them. They do have these clunky coats that are very good in resists for clothing and not even Combat Armor / Power Armor.

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I see this topic has died. I was hoping to hear more perceptions on the ideas.

I will join a faction of creepy raiders instead of the institute. All the time.

 

I prefer the BoS, they are rude and you want to hit them with a nuke most of the time, but at least they help the wastes by killing things (that I myself hate too.) the people are nice to you because of who you are (not like the institute, who treat you nicely because parent) the base is cooler and easier to move in.They know the Sythn have free will, and don't attack nick and let him roam freely around the base. Do they take crops from farmers? Yes they do. But the institute sins make BoS actions pale when placed next to each other.

 

BoS never attacked me on sight till I sided against them, unlike the institute. They helped me even in some of those fights. They are okay in my book.

 

The only good thing about the institute is the sick white 0-X paint job. I myself picked the flames one for my 0-X and made eyes blue and called it a day.

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That's exactly what happens:

 

I gave the data to the Minutemen. Maxson wasn't too happy about it, and wanted me to retrieve it back. I went through with the Minutemen Nuclear version anyway. Maxson never saw that Danse is a synth, so Danse is still happily pacing back and forth on the Prydwen, none the wiser. The Institute is gone, so I really don't see the harm in letting him continue to hut hut hut back and forth. The Minutemen, BoS, and Railroad are all aware that the Institute is destroyed.

 

The Minutemen, BoS, and the Railroad are getting along relatively well, although the Railroad wants me to wipe out a BoS patrol. The funny thing is, the way the quest is worded makes it sound like the Railroad thinks the BoS has been destroyed. It basically refers to the patrol as "lingering," or "few remaining," if I remember the text right. They're still sending me after Institute Coursers as well. The BoS just wants me to go retrieve food, or escort a Scribe around.

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I've since heard, apparently the new Brotherhood is based on the SPAZ MARINES of Warhammer 40K. This makes it REAL goddamn easy: Brotherhood dies regardless of the Institute. I will not tolerate such scum on American soil, however irradiated. For the good of mankind, they must be eradicated.

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