Khormin Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I don't know who's are. I don't know why. If you are looking for reaction, I can tell you that I don't have much rage. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for tech support. If you patch your mod now, that'll be the end of it. I will not file a bug report, I won't look for it, I will not contact you. But if you don't, I will look for it, I will fix it, and I will talk to you about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrivener07 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 What are you talking about? This reads like a riddle. Are you asking if a certain mod deletes a file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khormin Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) You've never seen Taken, I take it?Griping 'cause either an update (not sure which) is deleting a core file when installing, or NMM is doing it. And unfortunately, Steam isn't the most informative when it comes to "failed to validate and will be downloaded", making it that much harder to find out which.Edit - Aha! Found what it is. Something's installing a new STRINGS_EN over the top of FO4's, and for some reason it isn't being replaced properly by NMM.Bet's on for PipWare, since I just picked that up today, but could just as easily be the updates from BIS+FDI. Edited December 3, 2015 by Khormin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indipindi Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) I only understand half of your text...But update your NMM,wasn't that addressed and fixed in the last Update?? Edited December 3, 2015 by indipindi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khormin Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm using 0.61.2, so I don't think it was. Bug report time, yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinraStrife Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) You've never seen Taken, I take it? Griping 'cause either an update (not sure which) is deleting a core file when installing, or NMM is doing it. And unfortunately, Steam isn't the most informative when it comes to "failed to validate and will be downloaded", making it that much harder to find out which. Edit - Aha! Found what it is. Something's installing a new STRINGS_EN over the top of FO4's, and for some reason it isn't being replaced properly by NMM. Bet's on for PipWare, since I just picked that up today, but could just as easily be the updates from BIS+FDI. In the BIS mods description he warned users to backup their strings file before installation so its your own fault for not reading the directions. Edited December 3, 2015 by ShinraStrife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khormin Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Wasn't passing blame, just being expressive while trying to find the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystarria Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) NMM is still very beta. Expect odd little issues while they iron out the kinks. This is why I'm sticking with manual for now and doing many backups of saves and base files. The mod NewDialog is another that does strings, however your issue isn't with the mod, it's with a kink in the mod manager. Edited December 4, 2015 by Mystarria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinraStrife Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 NMM is still very beta. Expect odd little issues while they iron out the kinks. This is why I'm sticking with manual for now and doing many backups of saves and base files. The mod NewDialog is another that does strings, however your issue isn't with the mod, it's with a kink in the mod manager. Let me start off by saying I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just clearing the air. NMM is beta, yes, but installing files manually makes it impossible to keep track of all the files you put in your fallout 4 installation. Once you get enough mods installed you wont know what files to delete to get rid of the mod. Even with a mod manager it's always advised to make backups of your saves because let's face it; Not all mod authors use xEdit, some use xSnip. xSnip has caused save file corruption before and it will cause it again, it's only a matter of time. His issue IS with the mod. NMM can't store an unpacked file that gets overwritten by a mod, it can only keep track of files that overwrite other mods loose files. That's not a bug, its a feature that was never added to begin with. In BIS's description (before the author made an NMM installer) he stated that people need to backup their STRINGS file before installing his mod, as it overwrites it. I don't see how his CTD could possibly be an NMM issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khormin Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Alrighty.a) The purpose of this thread was a semi-humorous one.I paraquoted the phone conversation from "Taken" in order to illustrate that this was not a serious gripe.Had this been a serious gripe, I would not have made a post about it; I would have contacted the author (if mod related) or the NMM dev team with a bug report (if it were NMM related). b) The purpose of this thread was to pass time while looking over (record by record) the code of various mods in my chainI have 143 loaded, so isolating which it was is a tiresome process, but doable.Inb4 "You're asking for trouble", I'm well versed in getting my juggernaut rig to handle a heavy load.The desire was up to talk to others without necessarily losing focus from my task at hand, which I stated early on. c) My issue, in the end, was neither a mod nor the NMM. It was with a corrupted file sector on my 2TB bulk storage drive ("Hegra") that I use for programming retention.This sector was causing the STRINGS file to be corrupted on backup.Now that I've cleaned that drive and marked the corrupted sector from use, I have no problems.I also discovered what was at fault part-way through my posting in this thread; hence the edited post. d) When switching between various mod profiles, I like to know what's going on. The new 0.60 modding feature allows for various profiles, and it would be hoped generally this would include backing up of basic files. By trial, despite the quote, my STRINGS file is indeed being replaced when reverting from heavy load to basic. I will surmise from this that the process is functioning as intended. e) Had it been an error, I would have then passed it up the line regardless of your views. If NMM is offering a feature - such as alternate profiles - and it has something detrimental, this is a bug. It doesn't matter if the feature is "never added", if it was unintended, it would be marked as an oversight, a design bug if you will. In the BIS mods description he warned users to backup their strings file before installation so its your own fault for not reading the directions. I applaud his suggesting that people do a basic function in modding, as some people won't think to do just that. It would not have changed that I would file a bug report for a bug. Telling the devs is not 'blaming' them. I trust that the devs would recognise a properly-filed bug report as a bug report, not as some form of passive-aggressive attack. g) Let me start off by saying I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just clearing the air. I appreciate that. I'm also just illustrating the purpose of this thread, and my posts, so to clear any mistaken interpretation. I have a lot of respect for my fellow modders, and for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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