Subliminal Bullies

[Dark0ne]

Grow a back bone. Seriously.

 

This isn't school where the teacher can come along and sort out petty squabbles ala "Miss! he said this!" , "I didn't mean to, miss" , "Yes he did, miss!" , "No I didn't, miss!". You're on a forum where adults post too. If you act like children you will be treated like children -- this is a common concept used everywhere in society.

 

Over the years we've had a number of young people come here (Switch is our beaming light, Pov is the win too) and mature through posting; but they were never whiney or caused many issues when they began posting. Similarly when I started these forums I was only 15. Now I'm coming up to 21.

 

These forums aren't the school playground, they're for mature conversation. If you don't think you're capabable of that then please leave -- help yourself to the mods on TESSource but don't waste your time posting here because you'll just end up feeling hard done by. Now personally it does seem like you're capabable of maturity but you seriously need to stop being whiney/thinking everyone is out to get you. Read through others posts; go look at entire threads without the intention of posting yourself and see how others interact on these forums. Learn the idiosyncrasies of some of the regular members here and how to get along with them.

 

Most of all, don't expect everyone to change to suit your needs and don't expect a moderator/me to come and sort things for you everytime there's a little squabble or falling out. You won't grow if you do.

[thejake1453]

Grow a back bone. Seriously.

 

This isn't school where the teacher can come along and sort out petty squabbles ala "Miss! he said this!" , "I didn't mean to, miss" , "Yes he did, miss!" , "No I didn't, miss!". You're on a forum where adults post too. If you act like children you will be treated like children -- this is a common concept used everywhere in society.

 

Over the years we've had a number of young people come here (Switch is our beaming light, Pov is the win too) and mature through posting; but they were never whiney or caused many issues when they began posting. Similarly when I started these forums I was only 15. Now I'm coming up to 21.

 

These forums aren't the school playground, they're for mature conversation. If you don't think you're capabable of that then please leave -- help yourself to the mods on TESSource but don't waste your time posting here because you'll just end up feeling hard done by. Now personally it does seem like you're capabable of maturity but you seriously need to stop being whiney/thinking everyone is out to get you. Read through others posts; go look at entire threads without the intention of posting yourself and see how others interact on these forums. Learn the idiosyncrasies of some of the regular members here and how to get along with them.

 

Most of all, don't expect everyone to change to suit your needs and don't expect a moderator/me to come and sort things for you everytime there's a little squabble or falling out. You won't grow if you do.

 

 

so in a nutshell, subliminal bullying is ok?

[Dark0ne]

In a nutshell, you and cyronarxes need to grow up and stop whining all the time, or simply leave.

[Vagrant0]

In a nutshell, you and cyronarxes need to grow up and stop whining all the time, or simply leave.

Translation... It isn't Ok (from a "Can't we all just get along" perspective), but it isn't going to be punished. Whining about it will just make you look weak, flaming back will just make you get in trouble. If you have a problem with a specific person, take it to PMs, and "try" to resolve it without vulgarities.

[Ginji]

Give me all your lunch money.

That's just ridiculous.

Give me all your lunch money.

As others have said, there are just some people out there with no sense of humor at all.

Give me all your lunch money.

(...And no sense of humor's not-quite-right cousin, humour, either...)

Give me all your lunch money.

What am I to do, circulate a brief questionnaire asking people if they'd like to be placed in the ass-end of jokes?

Give me all your lunch money.

(That isn't a bad idea per se, but I'm not made of money, you know.)

So then fork over those sweet, sweet Lincolns, female dog.

What, then, of all the people before I started circulating the questionnaire?

Give me all your lunch money.

They get nothing, you see. No preferential treatment whatsoever.

Give me all your lunch money.

...Which means that I would, in fact, be “bullying” them!

Give me all your lunch money.

Another thing you're forgetting is that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few:

Give me all your lunch money.

By this, of course, I mean:

Give me all your lunch money.

        NEEDS OF THE MANY: Snappy answers to stupid questions

        NEEDS OF THE FEW:  Directions on how to write stuff on the bottom of their monitors

Give me all your lunch money.

If I can't give snappy answers to stupid questions, who will? Whom!?

Give me all your lunch money.

Thus, if I can't, then the entire forum population gets “bullied” to an extent.

Give me all your lunch money.

Think of how mildly inconvenienced you felt! Imagine that multiplied by three hundred thousand!

Give me all your lunch money.

Mein Gott, the terror!

Give me all your lunch money.

So then, you see, if I don't “bully” someone, I end up “bullying” someone anyways.

Give me all your lunch money.

Nature abhors such an event, obviously, just as it abhors a vacuum --- or a clown.

Give me all your lunch money.

Therefore, it's impossible that “bullying,” as you speak of, even exists; via reductio ad absurdum...

Give me all your lunch money.

That's just ridiculous.

Give me all your lunch money.

Nice one MB, I agree though, he should give you his lunch money. :happy:

 

Note: All that I did to that quote was remove the colour changes that he did.

[thejake1453]

In a nutshell, you and cyronarxes need to grow up and stop whining all the time, or simply leave.

 

what? name 6 posts where me and cyronarxes whined without good reason

[Peregrine]

In a nutshell, you and cyronarxes need to grow up and stop whining all the time, or simply leave.

 

what? name 6 posts where me and cyronarxes whined without good reason

 

There's several in this thread alone, and a whole epic whine-fest where you couldn't deal with an obviously sarcastic "insult" from me. Here's a hint: when I accuse you of bestiality, slavery, insult your honesty, maturity, intelligence, and call you a "basement-dwelling xbox fanboy", all in one paragraph, it should be a sign that I'm exaggerating to the point of sillyness. I mean really, the bestiality comment alone should be enough to suggest I'm not serious, who would actually use that seriously?

 

we dont have to stop posting stupid things, you just have to stop attacking them, you don't have to attack them you know

 

Ah, good, so you admit you post stupid things. Now welcome to the real world, when you say stupid things, people are going to attack them. We're not your family or friends, we aren't going to praise everything you say just to make you feel better. If you can't learn to handle criticism, you're doomed once you get out into the real world...

[cyronarxes]

In a nutshell, you and cyronarxes need to grow up and stop whining all the time, or simply leave.

 

what? name 6 posts where me and cyronarxes whined without good reason

 

There's several in this thread alone, and a whole epic whine-fest where you couldn't deal with an obviously sarcastic "insult" from me. Here's a hint: when I accuse you of bestiality, slavery, insult your honesty, maturity, intelligence, and call you a "basement-dwelling xbox fanboy", all in one paragraph, it should be a sign that I'm exaggerating to the point of sillyness. I mean really, the bestiality comment alone should be enough to suggest I'm not serious, who would actually use that seriously?

 

we dont have to stop posting stupid things, you just have to stop attacking them, you don't have to attack them you know

 

Ah, good, so you admit you post stupid things. Now welcome to the real world, when you say stupid things, people are going to attack them. We're not your family or friends, we aren't going to praise everything you say just to make you feel better. If you can't learn to handle criticism, you're doomed once you get out into the real world...

 

We don't post stupid things, thejake1453 was just saying that even if someone posts stupid things (which we don't), why should you still make fun of the person. The answer is simple, YOU DON'T! You see, any mature person, even if they see something so extremely stupid, they still respect the person's opinion for they are wise enough to know that making fun of the person is

1) a waste of time

2) ignorant, arrogant, short sighted, and stupid

3) makes enemies

What I am implying is that part of constructive criticism is saying you need to grow or stop doing something politely rather than throwing random drivvle and names. When you do this, this just shows how ignorant, arrogant, and short sighted, you are. Take for example the Dark ages. No one advanced because they were stuck up with there own opinion and anyone who attempted to tell them something different they would banish. Likewise, just because we hold different views, doesn't mean you have the right to antagonize us. We are simply different, but not inferior in any way. Another example is the Abbasids. They were a humble. advanced, and relatively peacefull Islamic Empire who ruled the middle east from 749 AD to 944 AD. They were very accepting and tolerant and as a result, they brought in knowlegde from all sort of diversities. They had many jews, blacks, and other races within there empire. Due to they're kindness to other diversities, during the crusades, many Jews, Zoroastrians, Animalists, and even fellow christians came to they're aid during the reconquest of they're lands from the crusaders. While Im not going to go through the details I think you you should understand my point. You should not condemn us for what ever reasons. As shown, if your more open minded, you learn more become more sophisticated. Also, if you antagonize people, after a while, they will hate your guts. Why do you think all the asians hate the Japenes, because they were total assholes especially in the attack on Nanking. Eventually, doing what you doing will make you a highly hated individual. Also, I wonder, why do you mess with us, isn't it a waste of time for you? When you constanly antagonize us, you just show that you have nothing better to do. That you need something to keep you occupied in you boring uneventfull life. Go bye more games, get friends, create topics, join a club (a real physical club), Im sure there is more you can do than mess with us but for now I would suggest that you try to attain a life for yourself.

[Vagrant0]

One word... WOW!

 

Really should have just dismissed Peregrine's comments and just let the topic collect dust. While you may have your points about people being unfriendly, you ignore the fact that you still have to react to them for it to mean anything. It's unfriendly because you define it as such, and go on to make that definition known by giving it some sort of heated response. In turn, Peregrine, or someone else will likely come around and tear apart your argument, not because of anything personal against you, it's just a poorly structured argument, making you even more upset, and putting forth a more heated response. You oppose it, yet seem determined to let it continue. You are entitled to your own opinions just as he is. You want yours to be accepted, but refuse the chance for him to state his when they oppose you? Nevermind you the possibility that your views can be wrong, just as his may be wrong. Yeah, he could be kinder before explaining how you're an idiot. But really that would just waste a whole lot of time and effort, and may not get the point across. The point being that your arguments are flawed, and you didn't stop and actually think things through before posting. Your first critic should be yourself... Be brutal... Then nobody else has the chance to be. In the real world, any weakness in your arguments means failure. Learn to construct your arguments well and you'll be able to talk your way into and out of almost anything. If anything, Peregrine, and others are helping you by being critical and pointing out your mistakes so that you don't make them again.

[Peregrine]

In turn, Peregrine, or someone else will likely come around and tear apart your argument, not because of anything personal against you, it's just a poorly structured argument.

 

You know me too well... now kids, sit back and enjoy the show!

 

 

 

 

We don't post stupid things, thejake1453 was just saying that even if someone posts stupid things (which we don't), why should you still make fun of the person. The answer is simple, YOU DON'T! You see, any mature person, even if they see something so extremely stupid, they still respect the person's opinion for they are wise enough to know that making fun of the person is

1) a waste of time

2) ignorant, arrogant, short sighted, and stupid

3) makes enemies

 

No, I DON'T respect opinions just because someone would feel bad if I didn't. I respect opinions that are correct. As for your arguments...

 

1) No, it's not a waste of time. I have free time and I'm amused by tearing apart poor arguments.

 

2a) No, it's not ignorant. I rarely argue when I'm not sure of the facts. If you see me posting somewhere, it's a safe bet I know what I'm talking about.

2b) How is it short-sighted? I know perfectly well what the long-term consequences of my actions are.

2c) See 2a. I am many things... stubborn, arrogant, but stupid is not one of them.

 

3) Good. I like enemies. If you're the kind of person that I consistently have to argue against, odds are I didn't want you as a friend anyway. I consider it a point of pride that stupid people hate me.

 

What I am implying is that part of constructive criticism is saying you need to grow or stop doing something politely rather than throwing random drivvle and names. When you do this, this just shows how ignorant, arrogant, and short sighted, you are.

 

Read my actual posts please. I'm not just throwing around insults. I may be direct and aggressive in my tone, but my arguments are supported by facts and logic (except when the argument is one of personal preference). Also, I find your hypocrisy kind of amusing, in one sentence you criticize me for insulting people, but in the next you call me "ignorant, arrogant, and short-sighted".

 

Take for example the Dark ages. No one advanced because they were stuck up with there own opinion and anyone who attempted to tell them something different they would banish. Likewise, just because we hold different views, doesn't mean you have the right to antagonize us. We are simply different, but not inferior in any way.

 

Two words: scientific method.

 

Fortunately modern civilization has provided us with the tools to decide who is right. If you feel that your arguments are correct, feel free to defend them. This is the key difference between now and the dark ages, the truth will eventually be found and society will advance.

 

This whole "everyone's opinion is valid" idea is just feel-good idiocy. If you're different and wrong, you ARE inferior. Deal with it.

 

Another example is the Abbasids. They were a humble. advanced, and relatively peacefull Islamic Empire who ruled the middle east from 749 AD to 944 AD. They were very accepting and tolerant and as a result, they brought in knowlegde from all sort of diversities. They had many jews, blacks, and other races within there empire. Due to they're kindness to other diversities, during the crusades, many Jews, Zoroastrians, Animalists, and even fellow christians came to they're aid during the reconquest of they're lands from the crusaders.

 

Good for them. I don't argue with people because they are different, I argue with them because they are wrong. If someone has a legitimate, but different, view, I will happily accept them.

 

And I'm glad you consider my refusal to accept your opinion the equivalent of racism. But you're laughably wrong, race and opinion are two entirely different things. The color of your skin is a matter of genetics, and has absolutely nothing to do with your value as a person. Your opinions, on the other hand, are completely voluntary, and can be considered right or wrong.

 

While Im not going to go through the details I think you you should understand my point.

 

I understand your point perfectly well. It's just completely irrelevant.

You should not condemn us for what ever reasons. As shown, if your more open minded, you learn more become more sophisticated.

 

My mind is perfectly open to new ideas that are supported by facts. If you want me to accept your opinion, defend it and convince me that it's right. Don't just whine that I'm not "open-minded" enough to accept it without question.

 

Also, if you antagonize people, after a while, they will hate your guts.

 

Good. Like I said, the kind of person that attracts my arguments frequently enough to hate me is probably someone I didn't want to be friends with in the first place. I have plenty of friends already, and we get along just fine, I don't need to go out of my way to get more just to fill some bizarre quota.

 

Why do you think all the asians hate the Japenes, because they were total assholes especially in the attack on Nanking.

 

Are you seriously trying to say that arguing with you on a forum is the equivalent of MASS MURDER? Do you even think about what you're writing for even half a second? I find this kind of ignorance disgusting, it's completely disrespectful to the victims of Nanking to say that their suffering was no different than a forum argument.

 

Also, I wonder, why do you mess with us, isn't it a waste of time for you? When you constanly antagonize us, you just show that you have nothing better to do. That you need something to keep you occupied in you boring uneventfull life. Go bye more games, get friends, create topics, join a club (a real physical club), Im sure there is more you can do than mess with us but for now I would suggest that you try to attain a life for yourself.

 

Ah, such hypocrisy... one could ask you the same question. Why do you feel compelled to post a reply to my argument? In fact, this entire thread was your creation, I came into it pretty late.

 

And my life is hardly boring. I have plenty of friends and social events, a challenging and rewarding degree in progress, and plenty of intellectual side projects. I just happen to have free time as well, especially now that classes are over for the summer.

 

 

This concludes the show. Lord Peregrine will be signing autographs outside, please form an orderly line at the exit.