How human are synths?

[DimosZargarda]

Full of all the hopes, fears, aspirations, and all the questions we all ask:

 

 

=^[.]^=

But he is programed to say those things, they all are, thers no feelings behind their words or actions, they just act the way they were made.

Edited January 13, 2016 by DimosZargarda

[Raycheetah]

 

Full of all the hopes, fears, aspirations, and all the questions we all ask:

 

 

=^[.]^=

But he is programed to say those things, they all are, thers no feelings behind their words or actions, they just act the way they were made.

 

I truly doubt that the Institute programmed little Shaun to talk about dogs (of which he had exactly zero direct experience, underground), or to have hopes about their reproductive potentials. I am certain they didn't program him to wish to become a member of the BoS, or to go against what he was taught to believe about the surface (i.e., Dr. Watson saying that the surface was hopeless, when it's clear to Shaun that it's not). Certainly, the range of emotional responses goes far beyond anything the Institute could have anticipated in any programming.

 

So, if Shaun was programmed with an initial set of emotional responses (much as we are all born with), then his perception of his experiences has expanded upon them (much as ours do). Instinct/programming gives way to learning and growth. Shaun's comments are not rote responses to set stimuli; they are observations which build upon his personality and knowledge, both of which will grow and change without any programming. =^[.]^=

[oldspice2625]

One's experiences determines one's perspective on this.

 

I think Synths are given a personality with a vague range of responses that all come from that basic programming. For example, if X6 was programmed to be "tough", "cold", and "efficient", very vague and basic things, then he'd pull from his brain responses that would fit those archetypes. I think that's what they were going for, and why the "they have hopes and dreams" argument pops up in the railroad and others that sympathize.

 

All synths are machines, that's what they are, they cannot escape that. Much like people who want to become another biological sex desperately hope that the surgery will solve their problems (spoiler alert: IT DOESN'T), because DNA is DNA is DNA. You can't change biological truth, you can't become something that you were not born to be. You can have experiences mold opinions and grant opportunities to foster skills, but that's it. If I was born with brown hair, I can't change that. I can HIDE it through hair dye, but I still have brown hair. It will never be anything else, unless I age and then the cells adapt to the change. Same thing with Eye color, skin pigment, we are all programmed with things that cannot be changed no matter how much we wish them to change. They can be burned, damaged, cut off, etc... but they will remain the way they are until something drastic like that happens.

 

The same principle applies to Synths. X6 can't be anything but a Courser, he was created to do that. He will always think that way, have that mindset, and see the world that way. Nick will always be a detective with a detective's mindset because (spoilers).

 

That's why the Railroad is full of fools. They try to fight something that CANNOT be changed without essentially KILLING the synth that they are trying to save. They have to forcibly destroy everything that the synth is, to save the HUSK aka BODY of the synth. They haven't saved not ONE synth because of that truth. They have to delete everything that the synth was programmed to be in order to "save" them (just saving the physical body really since they give it a new personality/life).

 

Synths are machines. Creations. Just like you can't change your race/physical features/nationality that you are born with. You can't change those things because you'd have to change the past to change them. Written in stone.

[Raycheetah]

Can a machine not programmed to do so desire a better existence? Can it even conceive of such a thing? A synth's "wetware" is genetically human, and can be expected to function in fundamentally the same ways. Emotions arise from endocrine responses to stimuli, something of which synths are capable. To discount them as merely "programmed" is to ignore the whole point of creating Type 3 synths: To replicate the entirety of a human organism, that "perfect machine," by artificial means, and to explore their potentials, including emotional responses, which even Father admits have proven elusive. =^[.]^=

[Alano69]

Do you know Terminator the movie ? Most of the synths are terminators.

SPOILER ALERT :

Level 1 synths don't look like humans, except that they speak our language :

https://youtu.be/Vp9Fgmx5Xks#t=24m45s

Level 2 synths barely look like humans and speak with a robot voice :

https://youtu.be/IVj8YtOiuHw#t=32m10s

Level 3 synth look and speak like humans : https://youtu.be/IVj8YtOiuHw#t=35m40s

Sometimes Synths aren't human but gorillas : https://youtu.be/67jfDCcait4#t=05m18s

Some synths are 100% human (working for the synths) : https://youtu.be/67jfDCcait4#t=22m18s

If you wishes to know how synths are made (from human flesh) :

https://youtu.be/Vp9Fgmx5Xks#t=13m50s

Edited January 14, 2016 by Alano69

[DimosZargarda]

Fact is they were created in some kind of labs, they are machines, it dont metter what they think or "feel" they are not on same level as a human, well, in my opinion that is.

[Jeesmies]

nothing to see here

Edited January 17, 2016 by Jeesmies

[Moraelin]

Nuke 'em all, let Atom sort 'em :tongue:

 

That said,

A synth mimics human in appearance and it may have complicated programming that simulates thinking but it never will have a soul for it didn't descend from the bloodline of human race. Ad victoriam :D

I dunno about souls, man. I like to think that Alfather Odin wouldn't discriminate on the basis of such details as gender, race, or being a frikken robot. On the day we stand our ground against, well, pretty much Hel's Angels :wink: on the plain of Vigrid in Ragnarök, I figure would the gods really rather have one less warrior just because he was a courser? :tongue:

[Jeesmies]

Nuke 'em all, let Atom sort 'em :tongue:

 

That said,

A synth mimics human in appearance and it may have complicated programming that simulates thinking but it never will have a soul for it didn't descend from the bloodline of human race. Ad victoriam :D

I dunno about souls, man. I like to think that Alfather Odin wouldn't discriminate on the basis of such details as gender, race, or being a frikken robot. On the day we stand our ground against, well, pretty much Hel's Angels :wink: on the plain of Vigrid in Ragnarök, I figure would the gods really rather have one less warrior just because he was a courser? :tongue:

 

Without a soul you'll have nothing to cross the rainbow bridge to valhalla, your mortal body won't follow you there and let's see a pile of metal and plastics try. And are you sure these "Hel's Angels" are not the synths themselves?

[Arnaeus]

There is no scientific proof of a soul or the absence of it. How the f*** do you want to know that synths have no soul or that humans do? Thats just a theory, a belief. Discrimination against a creature based on your own religion is so... brotherhood-ish.

 

What we can safely assume is that not all synths are programmed to simulate feelings but have or at least express them nontheless. Why do I say that?

 

Because of Curie. After her transformation she's expressing feelings (and how confusing that is). Shaun and Nick and all other synths are different, they're made to imitate humans, but Curie wasn't. Curie was designed as a robot, she never had to fake emotions and her sole purpose was scientific research of diseases.

 

 

I do however agree that the railroad are idiots. Freeing a synth by deleting its personality and creating a new one is nonsense. And fighting for the freedom of 1st generation synths (same level of self-awareness as a toaster) is dumb.