New weapons and weapon mods ideas

[robhartman9]

I thought the assault rifle was meant to fill the niche of SMG in this game. None of the Fallout games try to account for the vast variety of small arms that exist. To me there is a difference between 9mm parabellum and 9 mm luger. You can trim down .38 brass to make 9mm luger but not parabellum. Hunting cartridges that use the same .30 caliber projectile are too numerous to mention. 7.62 X 39 and 7.62 X 54 are not the same but a 7.62 X 54 is the same thing as a .308 Winchester. A real comprehensive weapons system for a game like this would take some doing

[robhartman9]

Lets talk about the reloading bench. The 300 Winchester magnum can take a .308 bullet from 100 grains to 200 grains with the sweet spot being around 165-190 grains. The highest ballistic coefficient I can find is a 180 grain spritzer boat tail with a possible muzzle velocity of 3059 fps. The 168 grain match grade boat tail hollow point has a slightly lower BC but the lower weight allows a higher MV of 3190 fps. By going lighter and faster you can reach just a little further but you are loosing stored energy faster so it wont hit as hard. I personally prefer the 187 grain match grade boat tail hollow point. Not as fast as the 168 but it gets there with authority.

[Moraelin]

Actually, no. A .308 is 7.62x51mm. The 7.62x54mm is a rimmed Soviet cartridge used in machineguns and probably most famously in the Dragunov marksman rifle.

 

Also while .38 does have a caliber of 9mm, the designation is usually used for a rimmed revolver cartridge. There are IIRC two rare rimless cartridges that are designated .38, but... Most 9mm semiautomatics are actually chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, aka 9mm NATO, which to the best of my knowledge was never called .38.

[tomomi1922]

Actually, no. A .308 is 7.62x51mm. The 7.62x54mm is a rimmed Soviet cartridge used in machineguns and probably most famously in the Dragunov marksman rifle.

 

This may be off topic. But presume you live in the US, how do you know if a Russian made rifle is famous? Because you read and observe Russian military or militia using them, or see the sales and use throughout world conflicts (like in case of the AK47, world top rifle in usage). Or you can even buy such a rifle here in US?

[Moraelin]

That said, if you just want a .38 rechamber for anything, there are a couple of rechamber mods around. And rechambers are trivial to make in FO4Edit. I made my own .38 combat rifle for personal use (low damage, higher rate of fire) in like half an hour.

 

So while OK, Beth's choice of available calibres is a bit restricted, it's kinda hard for me to get worked up over it, since, you know, it's trivial to add any calibre to any weapon.

[Moraelin]

This may be off topic. But presume you live in the US, how do you know if a Russian made rifle is famous? Because you read and observe Russian military or militia using them, or see the sales and use throughout world conflicts (like in case of the AK47, world top rifle in usage). Or you can even buy such a rifle here in US?

Actually, I'm nowhere near the USA, and I wouldn't know about buying a gun. I'm not really into guns as such. I'm more of a history buff, and part of my interest is also just for making mods.

 

As for the Dragunov, what I'm trying to say is more or less that it seems to be one of the very few names that are recognizable world-wide. Could be just a case of Hollywood, I suppose. Also of being included in a lot of games.

 

The gun itself is not very special otherwise. It seems to be a decent rifle for the role of designated marksman rifle, but that's basically a mid-range mid-high accuracy semiautomatic role. It's not the kind of rifle that has either the range or accuracy to reliably take a guy down from a mile away, or anything. But it has enough accuracy AND rate of fire to keep anyone with their head down at 500m, or vent their brains if they don't.

 

Mind you, that might sound like my dissing it, but I'm not. It seems perfectly adequate for a very specific role, but that's kinda it, every weapon fits a specific niche. And that's not really what people seem to get excited about. And this one really isn't one of those outliers that people get crazy about. So I'm guessing it's more of a case of movies and stuff, than of carefully studying characteristics and track record in battle. Just a personal guess.

[JuJooGuppy]

7.62x54R Is not only used in the Dragunov, but it also was used (And I think equally as famous, if not more so) in the Mosin Nagant 91/30 and the absurdly awesome Mosin Nagant M38 Carbine variant.

These rifles were in use for a LONG time prior to WWII, and were the main rifle (as well as the sniper rifle-- they simply took the most accurate factory rifles and attached the scope and such to make sniper variants, they were not inherently different.) They were so mass produced that you can still get them and pretty cheap to this day, and they are actually quite excellent rifles, as well as beautiful. (Love the all wood appearance.) I own both a 91/30 variant and the carbine M38. The carbine is pretty crazy, fires the same round but with like half the barrel lol.

Anyway. Just pointing out a common usage of that round :P. The vietcong used these rifles too, as did their snipers ( I think her name was.. The Black Widow, the sniper that Carlos Hathcock engaged and killed.. she used a Mosin Nagant 91/30 as well.)

And I will be quite happy when I get my mosin in FO4 :)

[Boombro]

So, how about...

Big version of the plasma guns.

A big version of the rile way rifle, shaped like a train.

A grenade launcher.

[DrIvanRadenkovic]

I started this tread to see if there is any interest for these sort of things that expand the arsenal, and there is. Good. I think it would be an GRA style expansion that you need to upgrade. That said would there be a Gun Runners type faction and/or vendor. You know people with access and knowledge to operate equipment to make armaments and mods.

 

I made a bigger list on the subject when I was browsing the Fo4 Reddit and a post for DLC weapons appeared.

 

Here is the link.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/3uncyy/dlc_weapon_wishlist/

 

 

I think that a lot of good stuff can be taken from that.

 

 

BoomBro, the whole RailwayRifle big gun version shaped like a train suggestion. You mean looks like a train, not a train, right?

 

 

Grenade Launchers and MiniRocket Launchers are a part of my suggestion. I think remote detonated explosives are a good idea as well.

 

And more of an armour sugestion, but security armour as well. Less protective than combat armour, but good early game versus scrap armour.

Edited January 22, 2016 by DrIvanRadenkovic

[JuJooGuppy]

As for weapon ideas, I would expand on some of the categories more than others (though all need love..) Pistols come to mind, seems limited amount.. Shotguns.. Would love to see a heavy weapon shotgun.