Excalibuurr Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 (edited) I cannot seem to find the source of this problem, I have tried disabling all of my mods, but yet still, the crashing persists. I also am using MWGE (Morrowind Graphics Extender), MCP (Morrowind Code Patch), and MWSE (Morrowind Script Extender). 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Just a good night's sleep, and yesterday's mysteries are today's masteries.Level14=Today you wake up, full of energy and ideas, and you know, somehow, that overnight everything has changed. What a difference a day makes.Level15=Today you suddenly realized the life you've been living, the punishment your body has taken -- there are limits to what the body can do, and perhaps you have reached them. You've wondered what it is like to grow old. Well, now you know. Level16=You've been trying too hard, thinking too much. Relax. Trust your instincts. Just be yourself. Do the little things, and the big things take care of themselves.Level17=Life isn't over. You can still get smarter, or cleverer, or more experienced, or meaner -- but your body and soul just aren't going to get any younger. Level18=The challenge now is to stay at the peak as long as you can. You may be as strong today as any mortal who has ever walked the earth, but there's always someone younger, a new challenger.Level19=You're really good. Maybe the best. And that's why it's so hard to get better. But you just keep trying, because that's the way you are.Level20=You'll never be better than you are today. If you are lucky, by superhuman effort, you can avoid slipping backwards for a while. But sooner or later, you're going to lose a step, or drop a beat, or miss a detail -- and you'll be gone forever. Default=The results of hard work and dedication always look like luck to saps. But you know you've earned every ounce of your success. [Archives]Archive 0=Tribunal.bsaArchive 1=Bloodmoon.bsa[Weather Snow]Sky Sunrise Color=106,091,091Sky Day Color=153,158,166Sky Sunset Color=096,115,134Sky Night Color=031,035,039Fog Sunrise Color=106,091,091Fog Day Color=153,158,166Fog Sunset Color=096,115,134Fog Night Color=031,035,039Ambient Sunrise Color=092,084,084Ambient Day Color=093,096,105Ambient Sunset Color=070,079,087Ambient Night Color=049,058,068Sun Sunrise Color=141,109,109Sun Day Color=163,169,183Sun Sunset Color=101,121,141Sun Night Color=055,066,077Sun Disc Sunset Color=128,128,128Transition Delta=.015Land Fog Day Depth=1.0Land Fog Night Depth=1.2Clouds Maximum Percent=1.0Wind Speed=0Cloud Speed=1.5Glare View=0Cloud Texture=Tx_BM_Sky_Snow.tgaAmbient Loop Sound ID=NoneSnow Threshold=0.5Snow Diameter=800Snow Height Min=400Snow Height Max=700Snow Entrance Speed=6Max Snowflakes=75[Weather Blizzard]Sky Sunrise Color=091,099,106Sky Day Color=121,133,145Sky Sunset Color=108,115,121Sky Night Color=027,029,031Fog Sunrise Color=091,099,106Fog Day Color=121,133,145Fog Sunset Color=108,115,121Fog Night Color=021,024,028Ambient Sunrise Color=084,088,092Ambient Day Color=093,096,105Ambient Sunset Color=083,077,075Ambient Night Color=053,062,070Sun Sunrise Color=114,128,146Sun Day Color=163,169,183Sun Sunset Color=106,114,136Sun Night Color=057,066,074Sun Disc Sunset Color=128,128,128Transition Delta=.030Land Fog Day Depth=2.8Land Fog Night Depth=3.0Clouds Maximum Percent=1.0Wind Speed=.9Cloud Speed=7.5Glare View=0Cloud Texture=Tx_BM_Sky_Blizzard.tgaAmbient Loop Sound ID=BM BlizzardStorm Threshold=.50[Game Files]GameFile0=Bloodmoon.esmGameFile1=Morrowind.esmGameFile2=Tribunal.esmGameFile3=TR_Map1.esmGameFile4=TR_Data.esmGameFile5=TR_Map2.esmGameFile6=MCA.esmGameFile7=The Wilderness Mod 2.0 T & B.esmGameFile8=GIANTS.esmGameFile9=GIANTS Ultimate Control file.espGameFile10=Blood and Gore.espGameFile11=Divine_domina_part_1.espGameFile12=Divine_domina_part_2.espGameFile13=Better Bodies.espGameFile14=Divine_domina_part_4.espGameFile15=Divine_domina_part_3_Tribunal.espGameFile16=Divine_domina_part_5.espGameFile17=Westly's Master Headpack X.espGameFile18=Morrowind Code Patch Showcase.espGameFile19=Westly_Presents_BB_Almalexia_Add_on.espGameFile20=Blood and Gore BM add-on.espGameFile21=Blood and Gore Fire damage.espGameFile22=Blood and Gore patch for GIANTS Trib.espGameFile23=RealSignposts.espGameFile24=entertainers.espGameFile25=GIANTS_Ultimate_Official_Fixes.espGameFile26=bcsounds.espGameFile27=master_index.espGameFile28=LeFemmArmor.espGameFile29=adamantiumarmor.espGameFile30=EBQ_Artifact.espGameFile31=BB_Clothiers_of_Vvardenfell_v1.1.espGameFile32=Clean Vampire_Moca_Non_MCA (Nude Version).espGameFile33=Fair Magicka Regen (half percent).espGameFile34=Louis_FF7 JENOVA's Children.espGameFile35=MCA - COV Addon.espGameFile36=MCA - Guards Patch.ESPGameFile37=Siege at Firemoth.espGameFile38=MCA - TR Addon.ESPGameFile39=MCA - Divine Domina Addon.ESPGameFile40=Leveled Patch.esp Edit: It seems that noticing my load order had switched postions for Bloodmoon.esm and Morrowind.esm, I quickly fixed that; however the CTD still persists when using MWSE Edited April 17, 2011 by Excalibuurr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themisive Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I've always been a bit suspicious of those three "helper" programmes, if you can get away without them so much the better. Try removing them one at a time, and see if the CTD is repeated. To be hones, I've just finished the game and had about 30 separate mods loaded, I did NOT have MGE, MSE or MCP, and the only time those would be needed is if one or more of the mods you use depends on it. If you still get a CTD after checking those programmes, try uninstalling then re-installing the programme - and DON'T forget to patch to the latest available patch from Bethesda. Try loading your mods now, and you should find it's OK. However, if you're still having problems, there may be another simple solution, check your graphics card drivers are up-to date. another tip that some people don't bother with is defragging their hard drives. It's OK to say "oh I've got XGb of storage on each of my drives, I don't need to defrag". That is completely wrong, as you run a programme - any programme the files being used are broken up (or fragmented) and scattered all the way over the free surface of your drive. This slows down your computer and makes the drive work that much harder. It can get to the point where your programme can't find all of the file and then you either end up with a "blue screen" or a CTD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excalibuurr Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 I've always been a bit suspicious of those three "helper" programmes, if you can get away without them so much the better. Try removing them one at a time, and see if the CTD is repeated. To be hones, I've just finished the game and had about 30 separate mods loaded, I did NOT have MGE, MSE or MCP, and the only time those would be needed is if one or more of the mods you use depends on it. If you still get a CTD after checking those programmes, try uninstalling then re-installing the programme - and DON'T forget to patch to the latest available patch from Bethesda. Try loading your mods now, and you should find it's OK. However, if you're still having problems, there may be another simple solution, check your graphics card drivers are up-to date. another tip that some people don't bother with is defragging their hard drives. It's OK to say "oh I've got XGb of storage on each of my drives, I don't need to defrag". That is completely wrong, as you run a programme - any programme the files being used are broken up (or fragmented) and scattered all the way over the free surface of your drive. This slows down your computer and makes the drive work that much harder. It can get to the point where your programme can't find all of the file and then you either end up with a "blue screen" or a CTD! I actually defrag every 3 days, keeps my system tidy, and it seems that MWSE crashes my MW, however a while ago before the reinstallation of Morrowind, my Morrowind ran fine with MWSE, I don't know what the problem is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themisive Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Check your drive(s) for bad sectors. Just remember that if you're using the Windows CHKDSK facility, it can take a good while. Download a free trial of Auslogics Boostspeed, you can get it here, it does the job quickly and thoroughly. Failing that, all I can suggest is back up ALL of you irreplaceable data (e-mails, word files, saves for Morrowind and/or Oblivion and any other games you have) . Next do a full install of your O/S again, but ask it to do a full format as well. I know it's a pain, but it also means that you'll have to re-install Morrowind as well, so be sure to back up all your mods and other programmes for it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakirev Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) I actually defrag every 3 days, keeps my system tidy, and it seems that MWSE crashes my MW, however a while ago before the reinstallation of Morrowind, my Morrowind ran fine with MWSE, I don't know what the problem is now. What version of MWSE are you running? It's been very stable for quite a while. If you don't run MWSE, you can run Morrowind without problems? Have you tried running Morrowind through MWSE's Launcher? Try removing MGE from the equation. It doesn't like some graphics cards. Try getting everything else working together before upping the ante with MGE. Edited May 29, 2011 by Balakirev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themisive Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 I thing that Balakirev was right, I've always been suspicious of these "helper" programmes; MGE in particular. As he said, not all graphics cards work the same way, the best thing is to literally delete that MGE, and if your graphics will allow it, bring the various sliders uo to at least the middle, then you can experiment as to what they should be. You will have to remember that though this was Bethesda's third foray into the gaming world, it was the FIRST in Windows. That is one reason the graphics are miserable, but remember you have hours of gameplay here.to make up for the bad gragics - but hey on a brighter note, look at what the system wants in the way of graphics and you'll get that data from the Tech section of TESNexus, or even from the Bethesda website,. Just rembeer Skyrim Is out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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