Nazi - flag

[bmt12]

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt that when they make such mods it's in order to use them as target practice, at least early on I remember a lot of people wanting to dress the BoS up in full Nazi regalia when they clearly weren't planning on joining that faction.

 

It's easier to believe that as proud Nazis are much less common than those who embrace that other tyrannical theme which has been all but whitewashed today.

Edited December 12, 2016 by bmt12

[Arneercool]

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt that when they make such mods it's in order to use them as target practice, at least early on I remember a lot of people wanting to dress the BoS up in full Nazi regalia when they clearly weren't planning on joining that faction.

 

It's easier to believe that as proud Nazis are much less common than those who embrace that other tyrannical theme which has been all but whitewashed today.

I just like the red classic nazi flag, it is aesthetically pleasing. Also, roleplaying reasons. The vault 111 i came from, was not just some cryoshit, but an experiment on taking political extremism to its limit, so my character just spend 200 years suspended while listening to Mein kampf on audiotape.(omelette du fromage). I also have had pregnant playthrough(gotta eat all the things). A one arm non violent playthrough(run you cripple!). I tried being a jedi but that kind of sucked. A necrophilia cannibal(unfortunately corpses WILL disappear from your bed). And a fully fledged Minuteman, because unlike most of you, i actually like Preston. Bethesda did everything they could to prevent me from roleplaying, but i wont stand for that.

Edited December 12, 2016 by Arneercool

[Moraelin]

You cannot have freedom then turn around and say 'oh, but you can't do this...'.

Anyone can do anything, but if it harms another or restricts their freedom then there are consequences.

Actually, you know what I find mildly amusing? That those the loudest to proclaim their freedom to offend everyone, are the first to try argue denying the same freedom to everyone else. And thus the biggest hypocrites.

 

The fact is, sure, anyone is free to have a boner for Nazis or whatever. But then the rest of us are also free to say they're dysfunctional morons. Freedom of speech goes both ways, if that's what they actually want. If they're free to say offensive things about a minority or two, hell, I'm free to say my own offensive things about the minority of supremacist idiots.

 

And freedom of the press still applies to the one who owns the press, or the file server in this case. If they're forced to carry someone else's drivel, then they're not free to do whatever they want with their property.

 

One can't go, essentially, "oh noes, *I* can say or do whatever offends you, but *YOU* can't say or do anything about it." Double standards much?

[Mitigate]

 

You cannot have freedom then turn around and say 'oh, but you can't do this...'.

Anyone can do anything, but if it harms another or restricts their freedom then there are consequences.

The fact is, sure, anyone is free to have a boner for Nazis or whatever. But then the rest of us are also free to say they're dysfunctional morons. Freedom of speech goes both ways, if that's what they actually want. If they're free to say offensive things about a minority or two, hell, I'm free to say my own offensive things about the minority of supremacist idiots.

 

Exactly what I said in the rest of my post. Glad you agree.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Mitigate

[bmt12]

Arneercool, I find your post to be highly offensive, no one should ever like Preston Garvey.

 

"Another Settlement Needs You Help" will forever haunt my dreams.

 

(what's going on with the forums? Trying to quote a post keeps screwing up and quoting my own text?)

Edited December 13, 2016 by bmt12

[EP1CPH1L]

There is a double standard.

 

They forbid users having Swastikas of ANY KIND because they're so concerned about people possibly associating their site with Nazism and ban it, despite that in NationStates you can in fact create a racist, totalitarian, far-right Empire. There are even countries that are allowed to openly call themselves Fascist and promote Fascism all over their descriptions with nary a problem. Personally, I don't have a problem with this, the game is after all supposed to be a nation simulator for the player to mold to their liking. To each their own.

 

My issue is that I f***ing love the Sanskrit Swastika and my Indian mythology-based RP can't use it in a flag.

 

Meanwhile, the Hammer and Sickle, 5-pointed Red Star and revolutionary fist are free to use despite them being symbols of an ideology that promotes tyranny of the majority and the destruction of private property through force, an ideology that has done far, far worse damage than any National Socialist or Fascist movement ever conceived.

 

I'm not defending Fascism or Nazis, but I am calling out the NationStates moderators on their PC hypocrisy.

 

Mods should be allowed to express any kind of political view and use any kind of expression to do it.

 

But that would be inconvenient to the image of the site in a largely left-leaning time.

Edited December 14, 2016 by EP1CPH1L

[greentea101]

I'm not defending Fascism or Nazis, but I am calling out the NationStates moderators on their PC hypocrisy.

 

First you said that they're afraid of backlash from the public, now you say that they're "politically correct", implying that they themselves are against the use of swastikas. Which one is it? I'm not familiar with the situation, so I'm going by what you're telling me.

 

In any case, thinking that one totalitarian symbol (swastika) is much more offensive than all the others (to the point of making its use unacceptable) does not make one a hypocrite. What would be hypocritical, is if they were using swastikas themselves, while forbidding it to their users with the excuse that they find it offensive. I know you're angry because you can't use swastikas in their game, but you're completely misusing the concept of hypocrisy as part of a false accusation. If you're trying to convince me that those people have wronged you somehow, you're doing a piss-poor job.

[cossayos]

 

 

In any case, thinking that one totalitarian symbol (swastika) is much more offensive than all the others (to the point of making its use unacceptable) does not make one a hypocrite.

 

 

The Swastika - as used in the Nazi flag - stands for a singularity in history. A singularity neither Stalin, Mao or all the other dictators ever went for. The coincidence of being born into a certain group warranting a death sentence. All other dictatorships, while they may even have killed more people, never went as far as systematically and on an industrial level killing everyone belonging to a certain group of people. From infant to the elderly. No other dictatorship ever used the ingenuity and means of an industrial state of the first world to create a large scale killing machine.

 

That said, I don't consider the flag or the symbols in themselves to be offensive. Only if a certain mindset is associated with the use of the symbols.

[EP1CPH1L]

They are both.

 

The issue here is that they don't want to be perceived as an offensive website.

 

They are hypocrites in that they worry about being associated with an ideology that professes beliefs that offend lots of people, while allowing said ideologies to be made to the letter according to their simulator, in name, description and practice, as well as allowing both the creation and use of symbols of other extreme ideologies that offend lots of people, and indeed, symbols of the same ideology, Nazism, so long as they aren't Swastikas.

 

We could argue about the semantics of political correctness but I think you are aware that the term is colloquially used to describe behaviors meant to avoid exclusion or offense of a specific party. One google search of the term states this.

 

Again, I say, if the freaks want to RP a nation of toothbrush mustaches and antisemitism, let them. If they want to RP poor economic skills and forced mass famine in the name of equality, let them. But I am not the owner of the site.

Edited December 14, 2016 by EP1CPH1L