Nazi - flag

[tomomi1922]

 

 

Your warning states, specifically, why your file was removed and why you are no longer allowed to upload such mods again. You over-stepped your mark. I highly recommend you don't push this further.

 

What was the reason for banning? And I dont even know which mod you are referring to.

 

I am working on a mod changing raiders into Nazi soldiers (remnants of the real Hitler army, instead of Neo-Nazi as backstory). I don't think it is against the rules but I do want to know if site admin shares the same view.

 

Did you read the ToS for Nexus when you signed up? The rules are pretty clear cut for offensive content and trolling.

 

 

Did you read what I wrote? I didn't even know what mod or the actual warning. I didn't own that mod (or any mod). I simply saw the comment and asked a question: I wanted to know what mod was banned and why. I don't think this is included in the TOS a list of banned mods and their reasons.

 

I don't mean to be rude, but I really have it at people who comments without reading. And your obnoxious comment shows how much presumption you made.

Edited January 26, 2016 by tomomi1922

[jcdenton2012]

 

 

 

Your warning states, specifically, why your file was removed and why you are no longer allowed to upload such mods again. You over-stepped your mark. I highly recommend you don't push this further.

 

What was the reason for banning? And I dont even know which mod you are referring to.

 

I am working on a mod changing raiders into Nazi soldiers (remnants of the real Hitler army, instead of Neo-Nazi as backstory). I don't think it is against the rules but I do want to know if site admin shares the same view.

 

Did you read the ToS for Nexus when you signed up? The rules are pretty clear cut for offensive content and trolling.

 

 

Did you read what I wrote? I didn't even know what mod or the actual warning. I didn't own that mod (or any mod). I simply saw the comment and asked a question: I wanted to know what mod was banned and why. I don't think this is included in the TOS a list of banned mods and their reasons.

 

I don't mean to be rude, but I really have it at people who comments without reading. And your obnoxious comment shows how much presumption you made.

 

Oh I read it. 'What was the reason for banning?' question. 'And I don't even know which mod you are referring to.' statement. You didn't ask what the mod was, but rather than made a statement of not knowing while asking the reason for banning. However, to answer your proper inquiry, you can look him up on the forums for the reason of being banned. Or just do a search on google: Fallout 4 Nexus (Person) Banned

[JuJooGuppy]

The mod was likely taken down due to the fact that, following a rather lengthy discussion of Nazi's and why there are several view points on the idea of having nazi related content (ANd the view points are all equally valid, whether anyone believes it or not.), this mod was uploaded with links to what appeared to be a pro-socialism / positive spin on Hitlers reign, as well as a description of the flag being " For nostalgia purposes", which typically speaking Nostalgia refers to positive thoughts being brought back by the object. Thus implying a positive coming from the object.

More importantly, these combined w/ no comments enabled, and the timing of it, and the fact the author clearly read this thread BEFORE it was banned and ADDED the video to further create turmoil, suggests to me that this mod was uploaded PURELY to try and start trouble / cause strife / get people argueing, to which it succeeded.


I may be wrong, and never afraid to admit it, but from what I saw, this is why it was removed, and rightfully so. It wasn't even because of the content itself, it was more the manner presented and what appeared to beblatant trolling on the authors behalf.

Make sense?



And before someone cries that its his right, freedom of speech, etc. This is a private community that has the right to enforce their own guidelines, and while they go to great lengths to allow freedom of content / speech, their are lines that must be drawn in order to avoid people starting drama for no reason.

So, thank you, moderators and site operators. I only wish everyone could stop to think things through :smile:

[Deleted2433418User]

hmmm.... I´m all for freedom of speech and i detest censorship.. that´s why it bugs me that people spits the "its a private site so therefore" sentence out...this whole debacle did NOT start by the modder posting his work.. it was started by someone feeling "Offended" and his or her selfrighteous harm cried Wolf...the reasons behind this i can only guess to..Some of us are adults..some,apparently,are not.. as an adult you´ve learned to dismiss things that,obviously does not fit in to your general view of the world,politics and so on..but,alas,we live in a world where "offended" is the new black,every little "over-sensitive" hipster and his sister gets offended by whatever is fashionable to be offended by..moving on is not an option ..you have to publicly demonstrate your great passion,your heartwarming humanity and your willingness to stand for the downtrodden(as long as it´s on social media that is,in RL there is a good chance you might have to face the music and dance if you play that tune).. so someone started this thread(in my honest opinion) to stir the pot and get a little "Net-cred"..(is that a thing ? ) by showing off his or her cyber-tolerance or whatever..the problem here,in this thread or in any other on any media is not the actual mod itself,or whatever the thing that starts the racist,fascist,nazi,xenophobe-calling.. it´s the fact that,somewhere,along the way from Post-war Europe,through the fall of the wall there seems to have been a steady decline of common sense..the days where YOU,not anyone else had the responsibility for your actions and by that,had to face the consequences are long gone..nowadays it´s the government,Society,the whats and the who´s but NOT you that must face the consequences and repair what yuo think is broken,the very idea of actually NOT waiting for someone else to provide for you seems to have flown to the same remote Island where Honour and respect built a house long time ago..everyones "entitled" or has obscure "rights" that you have to pussy-foot around if you dion´t want to be sued or be on the losing side of a shitstorm...so what bugs me about both the original message that started this thread and the "holier than thou" and attempted sarcastic responses..is that this was not necessary..the original poster could have skipped to something worthwhile,thereby not wating peoples time and the "Snazzycats" with their ignorance of common decency and the dangers off pissing people off could have continued snorting pseudo-intellectual remarks at any hapless wanderer who dares ask an actual question...

 

The funniest(it´s not but hey..) part of all this is we are talking about a game..a game where you happily shoot,bomb,mutilate and dismember nearly everything you get in range of..and we discuss the morals of a mod entailing a flag?..."Sic transit Gloria Mundi"

Edited January 26, 2016 by Guest

[Moraelin]

Whether it bugs you or not, is of course your privilege, but both the 1st ammendment and the declaration of human rights have freedom of speech basically as a negative right (as in, "we won't prevent you from saying something"), not as a positive right (as in, someone has a duty to give you the means.) Additionally, the 1st ammendment is specifically about congress making laws.

 

Or to put it otherwise, if someone came and tried to forbid you from posting an image anywhere, that might count as going against freedom of speech or freedom of the press. If they don't want to give you hosting on their site, well, that's their property. You can still host your work somewhere else. Get your own hosting site, for example.

 

Freedom of speech means just that: you're free to say stuff. It doesn't mean you can force anyone to publish your speech.

 

In a nutshell, basically freedom of the press is the freedom of whoever owns the press.

[wax2k]

@isalex:

 

You still don't seem to get the reason for the warning issued and the removal of the mod. It was not about the flag itself, it was about linking to a clearly biased "documentation", that claimed to tell "the real story" about national socialism and Hitler and as such was to be considered promoting related convictions, which for understandable reasons is not wanted here. You might want to look up the warning post that has the full reasoning, before judging.

 

Also I'd be very surprised, if you applied the same reasoning about "its a private site so therefore", if someone did something that you don't want to be related to on your private property.

 

And to end with: Freedom of speech does not mean, no one is allowed to argue against what you say or that everything you say is not allowed to be punished in some way. While you're totally free to call a cop a pig, you still most probably will face some sort of consequences for it.

Edited January 26, 2016 by wax2k

[Deleted2433418User]

It seems we are in agreement..not in all but the principles... I still think that the reasoning on the "Private" part of this site is null and void...the term semi-private would be more fitting..this is not a membership only club after all...as to the reasoning that i would not allow certain things on my own property you are right..anyone tripsying on to my lands without permission is sure to get not only the dogs as a welcome but also the owner..and i´m not a people person... but,all in all..we agree on the principles of free-speech..as in,if you state something,be prepared to take the consequences,but you have the right to say it....

[bben46]

this is not a membership only club after all..

Wrong. This is very much a private club - access is by membership only.

 

From our Terms of service that you agreed to when you signed up

 

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[Deleted2433418User]

oh,thank you..i like polite answers from "the powers that be"..

[Gilibran]

It's not only adding nazi stuff to games that gets thing stirred up and heated debates.

 

I do modelbuilding, went from ww2 kits to GK anime kits but i've seen alot of this over the years in ww2 modelbuilding forums. It's weird how people react, for instance you take a historic picture of a ww2 scene and rebuild that. It so happens that picture shows a German tank with swastika and german soldiers during some assault or taking a break from the fighting. Some people will fall all over you for sticking the swastika decals on the tank and depicting the German soldiers while they are doing unspeakable things!? It's a picture and i try to recreate a bit of history in a diorama.

 

Now i have another picture with another German panzer with swastika but this time it's al shot up by some Sherman tanks and smoking wrecks of Shermans surround the destroyed panzer. (It took 4-5 Shermans to take out an experienced Panther or Tiger crew) I rebuild that picture into a diorama, stick the swastika, this time on a destroyed panzer surrounded by destroyed Shermans with GI's hanging out burned and maimed, and the same people go like, "Yes that's how it was, had to fight hard to take out a German tank, cost alot of lives" nice diorama.

 

Ok? so? No comment on the swastika this time? Those same people do build German panzer models as historically correct as possible down to the tiniest detail complaining about the fact the kit is 1943 Panzer ausfhurung 5 fg whatever but the tracks provided with the kit are those of a late 1944 Panzer ausfhurung 5 kj whatever but refuse to put the swastika on the model!?.

 

Nazi symbols do that to people and that's in a "world" where the most popular models are what the nazi's used because admit it, nothing beats the looks and power of a frigging Panther or Tiger tank.

 

I do not and will not play any of the world war 2 shooters because personally i find it totally disrespectfull and has nothing to do with education or whatsoever argument you can bring up. But i will never stop anyone from playing them and will not complain about nazi symbolism in those games, they are tied to the scenario and historically correct.

 

That last line is important, tied to the scenario, i do not see what nazi's have to do in FO 4 through mods, i do understand why people want to put them in, they are ultimate evil and it's nice to shoot them. Enclave and BoS are also clearly fascist inspired factions and make it easy for people to go with nazi symbolism. But imho if you want to expand be creative but do not just copy paste nazi symbolism, come up with your own symbols. You can still use the Hugo Boss uniforms that do look stylish but for very good reasons stained for eternity. Just look at Starship troopers for inspiration, one big nazi movie in space but they gave it a twist that makes it inspired by but still unique and not insulting anyone.

 

Come up with a very thorough background story, put your own creativity into it but still be prepared for a major shitstorm or just keep it private and to yourself.