Intense troubles with FCOM

kiakro · May 17, 2011

Ok, so this may be rather unoriginal but FCOM isn't playing nice with me. I've been following the cheat sheet from devnull, googling and forum searching for similar scenarios and problems but the most success I've had this entire time trying to install just FCOM's basic mods and options is crashing after creating a character. I will post my load order and I'll be here, all night tomorrow and probably day after if I must lol. I think my brain ran away on me.

Better Oblivion Sorting Software Log

CC Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0

v1.6.5 (December 1, 2010)

Special Mod Detection

FCOM detected.

OOO detected.

Better Cities not detected.

Recognised And Re-ordered Mod Files

Oblivion.esm

•Note: Masterlist Revision: 2683

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Invent, Delev, Relev, Actors.AIData, Actors.Stats, Stats}}

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34 Beta 5]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.Spells, Graphics, Invent, Scripts, Stats, Relations}}

Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIData, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.Spells, Actors.Stats, Delev, Factions, Graphics, Invent, Names, Relations, Relev, Scripts, Stats}}

FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev, Factions, Relations, Relev}}

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]

•Note: Use Standalone MOBS if using Frans or OMOBS if using FCOM/OOO. Both versions can be found here: "http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=28537"

•Note: Recommend installing UOP Supplemental for additional fixes: "http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710"

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIData, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.CombatStyle, Actors.DeathItem, Actors.Spells, Actors.Stats, C.Climate, C.Light, C.Music, C.Name, C.Owner, Creatures.Blood, Delev, Factions, Invent, NPC.Class, Names, Relations, Relev, Scripts, Stats}} and remove [C.Water] tag(s) (only exist in older version).

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

•Note: For russian version GOTY please move this esp before Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp (for UOP quest fixes).

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

•Note: When using Francesco's and/or FCOM, use the non-MOBS version of this patch and the standalone MOBS/OMOBS mods.

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIData, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.DeathItem, Actors.Stats, C.Climate, C.Light, C.Name, C.Owner, Delev, Factions, Invent, Names, Relev, Scripts, Stats, Relations}}

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev, Relev}}

FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.

•Requires: Francesco's supplementary addon package.

FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.

Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp

•Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.

DLCHorseArmor.esp

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Scripts}}

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Owner}}

DLCOrrery.esp

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages}}

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]

DLCVileLair.esp

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics}}

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev, Invent, Relev}}

DLCSpellTomes.esp

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Relev}}

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

•Incompatible with: 'CDM-CGO Compatibility plugins'.

DLCThievesDen.esp

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Name, C.Light, Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.Stats}}

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIData, Actors.Stats, C.Light, C.Music, C.Name, Delev, Relev}}

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]

•Note: Obsolete. Upgrade to UOP Supplementals 3.3.4 or higher. Then delete this file and rebuild the bashed patch.

ExnemRuneskulls.esp

•Requires: 'FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp'.

•Note: Not need if use Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls*.esp

FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Requires: 'ExnemRuneskulls.esp'.

•Note: Not need if use Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls*.esp

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp [Version 1.1]

•Requires: 'FCOM_BobsArmory.esp'.

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Requires: 'Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp'.

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Relev, Delev}}

Loth's Blunt Weapons for NPCs.esp

•Requires: 'FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp'.

FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Requires: 'Loths Blunt Weapons for NPCs.esp'.

Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.08a]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIData, Actors.DeathItem, Actors.Stats, Delev, Graphics, Invent, Relev, Stats}}

•Requires: either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp'.

FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev, Relev, Stats}}

•Note: Use either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp', not both.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34 Beta 5]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIData, Actors.AIPackages, Actors.CombatStyle, Actors.Spells, Actors.Stats, Delev, Factions, Graphics, Invent, Names, R.ChangeSpells, Relations, Relev, Scripts, Stats}}

FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIData, Actors.AIPackagesForceAdd, Actors.CombatStyle, Actors.DeathItem, Actors.Spells, Actors.SpellsForceAdd, Actors.Stats, Delev, Factions, Graphics, Invent, Names, Relations, Relev, Scripts, Stats}}

FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp [Version 0.9.8]

•Note: Only use when not using MMM.

FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]

FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev, Relev}}

FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev, Relev}}

FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Note: Use either 'NoReaversInGates' or 'LessReaversInGates' but not both.

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Invent, Scripts, Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

•Incompatible with: MMM Gems & Gem Dust or MMMforOOO.

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev}}

FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.CombatStyle, Actors.Spells, Invent, Scripts}}

FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Requires: 'Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp'.

TIE In.esp [Version 1.2b]

•Requires: FCOM.

•Note: Recommend avoid using TNR.

TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 1.2b]

TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp [Version 1.2b]

•Note: Do not use with the modular plugins!

TIE In - RealSwords.esp [Version 1.2b]

TIE In - MMM Gems.esp [Version 1.2b]

TIE In - MMM Craft.esp [Version 1.2b]

TIE In - DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 1.2b]

TIE In - BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 1.2b]

DLCFrostcrag.esp

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Name, C.Owner, Factions}}

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

•Note: Possible conflict with Frostcrag Reborn. Do not use both or land tearing will occur.

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS, C.Name, C.Owner, Creatures.Blood}} and remove [C.Climate, C.Light] tags

Knights.esp

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages, Factions}}

•Note: Needs TES4Edit cleaning: "http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide"

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIPackages, Factions, Relations}}

FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]

•Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev, Factions, Relations, Relev}}

•Requires: DLC 'Knights.esp'.

FCOM_ruin.esp [Version 0.9.9]

P1DcandlesForKleptos.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Unrecogised Mod Files

Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.

Done.

This is before a Wrye Bash on the 0patch. Everything seems to fail after that, I've speculated that maybe I have to many things merged but even cheat sheet tells me to mark all levelers and merge everything possible. So the step I am at right now, is about to Wrye Bash FCOM's 4 basic overhauls. Is there anything apparent to anyone else in my load list that isn't right? Like I'm trying to understand and wrap my head arround the large wealth of terms and processes involved with FCOM and it's supported utilities. So please if anyone can offer something constructive it'd be better than reinstall #19 with nothing learned. Thanks in advance.

kiakro · May 17, 2011

I've also begun to wonder if I need COBL included. When I try rebuild patch it lists cobl catalogs with no check marks and cobl exhaustion with two check markable items Assorted_exhaust.csv and kmacg94_exhaust.csv. I have COBL in my back up mods folder incase I do need to add it in. I have all the tools really, just need some clarity on the order of events I guess. I know if I bash right now, it will result in the same crashing ,0patch.

moonsun · May 17, 2011

Remove MMM - Gem & Gem Dust, Farm animals, Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch, FCOM ruin. I say TIE too. When I was installing FCOM, I don't even use these.

I follow this guide http://www.oblivionmodwiki.com/index.php/FCOM

Next time, if using wrye bash, go to mods, right click where it say Files, go down to List Mods, copy and past for better to read.

HeyYou · May 17, 2011

Not to mention DevNull's site is rather outdated. WarCry is now version 1.09.... should update that. and:

TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp [Version 1.2b]

•Note: Do not use with the modular plugins!

This might be a problem too.......

There is a thread on the beth forum for installing FCOM, that gets updated regularly... Have a Look.

kiakro · May 18, 2011

Remove MMM - Gem & Gem Dust, Farm animals, Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch, FCOM ruin. I say TIE too. When I was installing FCOM, I don't even use these.

I follow this guide http://www.oblivionmodwiki.com/index.php/FCOM

Next time, if using wrye bash, go to mods, right click where it say Files, go down to List Mods, copy and past for better to read.

Thank you, see there is so much info and attempts at FCOM arround that it's hard to sort out whats current, broken and what have you. Will poke my head in there.

a4nic8er · May 20, 2011

Thank you, see there is so much info and attempts at FCOM arround that it's hard to sort out whats current, broken and what have you.

Exactly what I thought when I started a new install (I didn't quite get all 160+ mods right last time). So I started a thread documenting my latest attempt, which may help you find some of the up-to-date facts you need. It isn't fully completed yet, and it is for a Steam version of Oblivion, but the first 3 posts cover the installation of uFCOM on a clean install - all the way through to the Bashed Patch.

http://www.thenexusforums.com/index.php?/topic/379657-my-big-fat-complicated-modded-steam-oblivion-reinstall-adventure

MrDoctorDD · May 21, 2011

If you are intent on getting fcom to work, I'd focus on that.

Backup your mods and start a fresh install of oblivion with FCOM in mind.

I'd install on C as opposed to program files due to issues you'll run into.

Check out FCOM

It is a bit outdated, but will get you going.

I use FCOM, and a few of the major mods like Midas, Unnecessary Violence, Deadly Reflex 5.0 (235 mods in total) and get no ctds.

I recommend Wryebash, obmm, and boss.

I believe they are all available here.

MotoSxorpio · May 21, 2011

MrDoctor, That link you gave is the one the OP said he has used, to which HeyYou informed of its outdatedness. And then gave a pretty good link, check it out if you upgrade your install. I always went to the source of the development. Good luck, FCOM is heroic in effort to get completely installed correctly.

kiakro · May 23, 2011

Been taking pot shot attempts at getting it going about once a day now lol. I like the wiki link that was provided after the numerous tries it serves as a great outline. If it fails then I've been just turning on fallout 3 which sadly I finnished up yesterday. So I took a look at the thread link given by Heyyou, looks like a lot of excess information and mods there. I wonder what FCOM is like seems like a legend at this point but here's the Wrye Bash list.

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
06  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
07  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
08  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
09  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0A  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
0B  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
0C  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
0D  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
0E  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
0F  DLCHorseArmor.esp
10  DLCOrrery.esp
11  DLCVileLair.esp
12  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
13  DLCSpellTomes.esp
14  DLCThievesDen.esp
15  DLCFrostcrag.esp
16  ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
17  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
18  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
19  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
1A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]
1B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
1C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
1D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
1E  FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp  [Version 0.9.8]
1F  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
20  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]
21  Knights.esp
++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
22  P1DcandlesForKleptos.esp
23  Fran Armor Add-on.esp
++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
24  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I've updated to 1.09 warcry and it began crashing right after the opening video and would never get me to character creation. With 1.08 it crashes after I create a character, with out it it does the same as having 1.08. I am at a loss of understanding what the issue is, kind of sucks I really wanted to try this.

** Let it be noted Oblivion is installed on my secondary drive which avoids all the vista tie ups and program file problems.

Edited May 23, 2011 by kiakro

kiakro · May 24, 2011

At this point I've spent more time/days trying to get this to work, than I would have probably spent playing it. Like literally been every day once or twice attempting this, I appreciate the help and links. Unless someone can point me in a new direction, then I'm probably calling it quits on tes games for a while. All this modding and failing and stuff is just driving me nuts. Maybe I'll find some prearranged superpack or something.

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