Nevermore Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Ancalagon: Not to be an ass but I doubt anything that happend to you was in anyway workings of a higher power. The drowning thing (as you explained it) sounds like your dad jsut got lucky to find you in the water. The car accident you didn't explain in detial so I can't conclude much there. As for the ant pioson: I'm not a docter so I have no theorys on that other then the guess that agian: There's an explination, we just don't know it. Many people find that kinda guess stupid and just a way to say there are no miricals but itake this into thought: Humans biult the computer. A little box capable of things an entire city thinking colectivly could not do. It lead to advanced medical technology and will (i'm positive) eventually help in the cure for cancer (wich it all ready has helped). So take a cave man who has a tumor growning on his thigh. It's a larg ugly blob of a thing and we ingect it with a cancer treatment shot thingy. In a month or so the tumor falls off. The cave man has no clue why, and none of his tribe can explain it. But it hardly means it's a miricale. Agian, sorry if this is offensive for what ever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 It's ok, you're not an ass for having an opinion. To be more specific, the car rolled three times, missed a tree by about six inches, took out a load of barbed wire fence that could have wrapped around both of us (there were two in the care, I was the passenger) and the metal stakes that the wire was secured to could have impaled me. Not to mention the Snowboard that went flying out the front Windshield at a speed that would have decapitated us. Oh yeah, and the fact that my side took all the damage and all who have seen the pics or were on scene at the accident said I should have died. But your take on the cave man and the tumor shot makes a lot of sense. I think that things may happen for a reason, and again things may just happen and reason and logic be damned. However the way people look at it, the only certan thing in life is death. And some day, we may just conquer that. But I wasn't saying that a Higher power guides my life, I was just stating that I should have been dead many times over but I am not. I haven't done anything of reputable nature and I don't know if I will, but I know I have walked away from Death for a reason. For me, there is no other explanation, I saw the car, I had to climb out of a window. I had nothing but cuts on my neck from glass and my friend ha a bloody nose. That's it. And people will get paralyzed from getting in an accident at thirty miles an hour. We were going 60, on an urban road in the middle of nowhere. It's hard to explain unless you have lived it... :ohmy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Ok well regarding the comprehention, say a five year old knows people have brain, but he dose not fathom how they work, it would be outside a five year olds comprehention. Trust me if nothing was outside people's comprehention then why would that word even be created? Maybe it's just a matter of how it's phrased, but I get what your saying. Anyway this leads off topic. OT, I don't know about higher powers watching over us in my experience, but I would like to think that was true. I did a lot of stupid stuff when I was little that I never got hurt from (riding bike across busy street, etc). But has anyone heard about the neardeath test experiments? Some sciebtits take this guyy in a whirly ride thing and go so fast he is like out of body, it was on the dicovery channel long ago. I wonder if there's anything to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 God isn't beyond our comprehension? Well maybe not the concept of God, no. But the real idea of just what he is, in what way he exists, how he can exist at all, whether he exists out of time, how he created the universe, etc, is out of our comprehension. Even if you can imagine it all happening, and think you can comprehend it, your mind is still thinking in 4 dimensions, which is all we're capable of thinking in. It has been theorised there's up to 10 dimensions in all, unless we can actually think in all those, I doubt we could even come close to truely comprehending him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Thank you, that’s what I was trying to say. Besides who's to say our earth spawned minds are built to behold the knowledge of all existence? That again is basing the universe around us, when we leave the earth, we are nothing to the universe, at best aliens would ignore our attempts to talk and they would eat our delicious feet, way of topic, but this topic is about God not just "how do we know he exist?" or "can we know?". I would give anything for there to be a god, and heaven, If I thought he/she/it existed. But here's somthing, assuming God did exist, he would be made of matter right? because everything ther is is made of matter, therefore everything in exsitance is made from energy right? atomic structures make everything, now a atom can be split. If God is indestructible what is he made of? Some non-energy matter? What ever could have suggested that would exist? So if God is made of Matter he can be destroyed, or nuked, if you will. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Who's to say he's made of anything in particular? We end up shooting back to the "beyond our comprehension" side of things. Besides, I don't think he actually exists in our universe as such. From people's descriptions, he would appear to be "outside time". Which again, is beyond our comprehension, as we can only think in the linear terms of time and space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 As far as our place in the Universe goes, I think that we should forget about God and Religion for a while, build up our technology as fast as we can, and start spreading to other planets. All within 150 years, I honestly think that if we want to have any chance of surviving in this galaxy, then we might as well build up to conquer it. Simply put, all of our questions and lives would be meaningless if an asteroid came down and wiped us off the face of existence. I mean, not to say that the Universe hates us or loves us, it is simply indifferent. Our only way of survival is to spread the human species first throughout the Solar System (so if anything happens to Earth then there will be survivors to continue our legacy), and after we have permanent settlements within our Solar System we should start looking at the nearest star systems for colonization. Laymen's terms: IF we plan to survive in the Universe, then we need to leave Earth ASAP and by any means nescesarry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 I have always thought that, I wish a massive global space project would come together and blastus off this wet fungus rock, I think that the secret to deep space travel will be immortality (on another thread) and a self contained eco-system on a space ship (should be a diffrent thread). I think we should stop worrying about God and stop using our resuorses for war and fueling our destruction, and use the same nuclear technology that makes bombs to make generators, i must be posssible, then we could go find God and be like, WTF?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 IMO, mankind created gods for themselves in their own image, to take care of that which they could not explain, and to try and influence events outwith their control by putting a deity in charge - a deity which could be pleaded with in form of prayer and sacrifice etc to intercede on their behalf. If anyone's interested, we had a good debate on religion on these forums a while ago: http://mwsource.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1046 And one on the universe too -which somehow turned into a god v big bang debate :blink: http://mwsource.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1637 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 What if later on in the future, we realise that there is no God and that God is a Human fantasy. But in our desperation, we attempt to create a God of our own. By the Emperor's black bones, creating a God with our limited knowlledge of the Universe, that would be our greatest folly. Imagine if it were a Machine! Deus ex Machina, I would like to hope our species isn't that crazy, but I really wonder how far we would go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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