double standards

[Deleted472477User]

One possible idea I have heard relates to keeping sexual control of females . When women aren't indulging in as many partners, it's easier for the men to know that any offspring produced are theirs. Just something I've heard,

 

That is one hypothesis, yes. However, now that we have effective contraception, I think it's backward and unnecessary to shame someone for "impurity".

 

There's also the problem that this kind of bashing is not restricted to just having sex. People regularly bash women for dressing like a "prostitute", being friendly with men (not necessarily even flirting, just being platonic) or otherwise being perceived to act as a sexual being.

 

agreed, it is backward. But if it arises from instinct (possibly), it's harder to deprogram, though not impossible. Doesn't excuse it, and doesn't mean we can't consciously override it.

[marharth]

Double standards do exists, and they always will exist unless society decides to change.

 

Something I kinda dislike are so many people thinking everyone is exactly the same at a certain age. I understand why age laws exist since it would be impossible to judge someone based on intelligence, experience, and maturity, but society shouldn't think the same.

 

I think sex should be looked at based on the persons intelligence and maturity as stated above. That could be a difference of a few years for some people. When I was fourteen I was more mature then a majority of most sixteen and eighteen year olds, and was completely educated on sex. So if a fourteen year old was educated and mature, what should would be the reasons to not allow sex?

 

I might be in a minority, but people should not assume every age range is exactly the same.

[DeadMansFist849]

Actually, it's a defence if you could reasonably believe the person was of age--however, for it to work, they must be willing and you must not be in a position of power.

 

However, the reason the age is set at 16-18 most places is probably mostly because we can't actually determine at what age each person has the requisite mental capacity to understand what sex is all about and how to protect hirself. At least, that's what I think, it is an arbitrary cutoff.

 

I think that "2 years age difference if 14-17" is a more sensible restriction, and then it's gone when one is over 18. Teenagers messing about with other teenagers (provided appropriate sex ed has been provided) is going to happen anyway. However, an adult taking advantage of a teenager is really just horrible.

[rinoaff33]

This may get a bit...basic...but I do have to say, I think the double standards largely exist because of how humans used to operate out in the wild - one man with many girlfriends is seen as "successful" because, in the wild, one man is SUPPOSED to get multiple women pregnant in order to ensure humanity's continuation. Women, on the other hand, are seen as "unnatural" if they have multiple men, since such a thing is not a good idea before civilization came around. It's just a base instinct that has carried over. Also, keep in mind the very large double standards that used to exist before the modern day (and still exist in some places). Men used to hold all the power, women used to be married off and "bought" via dowry, etc. It's simply not natural for a woman to be the person in power by our most primal instincts.

 

Of course, I don't advocate double standards, but I sadly still have them. As long as two genders exist that aren't exactly the same (which is impossible obviously), there will always be double standards, because we're NOT perfectly equal, no matter how much people say so. For example, can you imagine a male cheerleader? Interestingly, I can't think of a single role that a woman can't fill that a man can. The best we can do is minimize our differences.

Edited July 8, 2011 by rinoaff33

[DeadMansFist849]

Different does not mean unequal, Rinoa. Equal doesn't mean "exactly the same as", it means that nobody should be treated worse or better than anybody else based on sex, ethnicity, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation or beliefs. It means that women shouldn't be lumped in with children (you know, like when they say "women and children first") and that people with non-binary gender identities should not be treated as non-existant, perverted or insane.

 

 

Also, this "he's a stud, she's disgusting" rubbish is damaging to men as well. Virgin-shaming is a very real thing--you hear how guys use "virgin" as an insult, and how it's implied that a real man sleeps around? Yep, that's hurtful. Yet, when a woman is pure and virginal, dresses modestly, and so on, she's a "lady". It's just as bad the other way round to say "she's a lady, he's a freak".

[Germandeathkittiez]

Maybe it's just me, but I find the opinions in this thread extremely offensive and derogatory. Violence provoking ideas like "I would off this person" are both tmi and offensive opinions. I am not going to report anyone, I just want to make clear that this kind of thinking disgusts me and it absolutely upsets me to see it in these forums. Of course I am not promoting intercourse with underage persons, but I think that these offenders should be treated humanely. They did not even commit acts of violence themselves.

 

Furthermore, I believe that sex with a minor male child has a big bias toward it in that it has been generally considered acceptable, but if it's a girl it becomes completely the opposite in the US. So I think that if the girl had been the 18 year old it would have a higher chance of being viewed "acceptable," although things are changing all the time.

[kvnchrist]

Maybe it's just me, but I find the opinions in this thread extremely offensive and derogatory. Violence provoking ideas like "I would off this person" are both tmi and offensive opinions. I am not going to report anyone, I just want to make clear that this kind of thinking disgusts me and it absolutely upsets me to see it in these forums. Of course I am not promoting intercourse with underage persons, but I think that these offenders should be treated humanely. They did not even commit acts of violence themselves.

 

Furthermore, I believe that sex with a minor male child has a big bias toward it in that it has been generally considered acceptable, but if it's a girl it becomes completely the opposite in the US. So I think that if the girl had been the 18 year old it would have a higher chance of being viewed "acceptable," although things are changing all the time.

 

I believe that judge who let out that sex offender, right before he tied up and bludgeoned to death that whole family in Idaho, with a claw hammer thought these perverts deserve to be treated humanely as well. You could ask the little boy how he thought about it, but the guy strangled him and tossed his body off in a ditch. The girl survived and most likely knows more about sex than her murdered mom, so you could probably ask her how how offencive she thinks our language is, but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't mind a little offensive language.

 

I am curious just who you would report harsh language to in the first place. That would be interesting to watch.

[DeadMansFist849]

Maybe it's just me, but I find the opinions in this thread extremely offensive and derogatory. Violence provoking ideas like "I would off this person" are both tmi and offensive opinions. I am not going to report anyone, I just want to make clear that this kind of thinking disgusts me and it absolutely upsets me to see it in these forums. Of course I am not promoting intercourse with underage persons, but I think that these offenders should be treated humanely. They did not even commit acts of violence themselves.

 

Furthermore, I believe that sex with a minor male child has a big bias toward it in that it has been generally considered acceptable, but if it's a girl it becomes completely the opposite in the US. So I think that if the girl had been the 18 year old it would have a higher chance of being viewed "acceptable," although things are changing all the time.

 

I never said I would kill anyone. I just said that, to me, gender doesn't matter, and an adult taking advantage of a teenager is wrong. It shouldn't automatically be treated as worse because the adult in question is male, or dismissed (or even worse, fetishized!) because the adult was female. Bottom line, sex offenders shouldn't be left unsupervised with vulnerable people.

[kvnchrist]

Maybe it's just me, but I find the opinions in this thread extremely offensive and derogatory. Violence provoking ideas like "I would off this person" are both tmi and offensive opinions. I am not going to report anyone, I just want to make clear that this kind of thinking disgusts me and it absolutely upsets me to see it in these forums. Of course I am not promoting intercourse with underage persons, but I think that these offenders should be treated humanely. They did not even commit acts of violence themselves.

 

Furthermore, I believe that sex with a minor male child has a big bias toward it in that it has been generally considered acceptable, but if it's a girl it becomes completely the opposite in the US. So I think that if the girl had been the 18 year old it would have a higher chance of being viewed "acceptable," although things are changing all the time.

 

I never said I would kill anyone. I just said that, to me, gender doesn't matter, and an adult taking advantage of a teenager is wrong. It shouldn't automatically be treated as worse because the adult in question is male, or dismissed (or even worse, fetishized!) because the adult was female. Bottom line, sex offenders shouldn't be left unsupervised with vulnerable people.

 

 

I doubt if he was talking about you man. I personally would take anyone of them out as the impact on a child is never curable. There are those who say they can be cured byb therapy, but that would mean that one could be talked into changing their sexual attractions and I don't think anyone can do that.

[HeyYou]

Maybe it's just me, but I find the opinions in this thread extremely offensive and derogatory. Violence provoking ideas like "I would off this person" are both tmi and offensive opinions. I am not going to report anyone, I just want to make clear that this kind of thinking disgusts me and it absolutely upsets me to see it in these forums. Of course I am not promoting intercourse with underage persons, but I think that these offenders should be treated humanely. They did not even commit acts of violence themselves.

 

Furthermore, I believe that sex with a minor male child has a big bias toward it in that it has been generally considered acceptable, but if it's a girl it becomes completely the opposite in the US. So I think that if the girl had been the 18 year old it would have a higher chance of being viewed "acceptable," although things are changing all the time.

 

I never said I would kill anyone. I just said that, to me, gender doesn't matter, and an adult taking advantage of a teenager is wrong. It shouldn't automatically be treated as worse because the adult in question is male, or dismissed (or even worse, fetishized!) because the adult was female. Bottom line, sex offenders shouldn't be left unsupervised with vulnerable people.

 

 

I doubt if he was talking about you man. I personally would take anyone of them out as the impact on a child is never curable. There are those who say they can be cured byb therapy, but that would mean that one could be talked into changing their sexual attractions and I don't think anyone can do that.

 

The recidivism rate for sex offenders is scarily high...... my main issue with things as they are is, the definition of "offender" varies far to widely, and on simplistic values like age. (granted, in some cases, age is indeed an obvious factor......) Age of consent can vary widely, just across the county/state/international border..... what is considered a crime punishable by 25 years in prison in one spot, may not be a crime at all in another. (and in some societies, even an accepted norm.....) Maturity levels, both mental, and physical vary pretty widely between individuals as well...... I have known some teens, that were more mature than their parents...... My guess is, that is one of the main reasons why there is no uniformity in laws of that nature.

 

That said, anyone that FORCES themself on another person, regardless of age, sex, whathaveyou, really needs to be removed from society, by the method of your choice.