Possible US President Trump, what possible consequences?

[sunshinenbrick]

 

Has nobody realised yet that Trump IS part of the establishment. Where do people think his wealth is invested? His ties to people that he is 'against'...

 

I mean he made reality TV shows for goodness sake. Or are people just too desperate or bedazzled to join the dots?

 

The fact that people think he will solve their problems, is the actual problem.

 

His campaign is very clever, deceitful, but oh so clever.

And again, that makes him different from any other politician how?

 

He has republican leanings, after 8 years of democratic rule, the people are extremely dissatisfied. Of course, this is quite typical. If you look, following two terms of one party 'rule', come the next election, the 'other' party generally gets put into power. Except during wartime. (real wars, not these little brushfires that are going on now.)

 

 

It's the fact that he really is no different which is most worrying about it though. It's pretty much 'last chance saloon' and what will happen when all the people realise they have been betrayed... yet again.

[HeyYou]

 

 

Has nobody realised yet that Trump IS part of the establishment. Where do people think his wealth is invested? His ties to people that he is 'against'...

 

I mean he made reality TV shows for goodness sake. Or are people just too desperate or bedazzled to join the dots?

 

The fact that people think he will solve their problems, is the actual problem.

 

His campaign is very clever, deceitful, but oh so clever.

And again, that makes him different from any other politician how?

 

He has republican leanings, after 8 years of democratic rule, the people are extremely dissatisfied. Of course, this is quite typical. If you look, following two terms of one party 'rule', come the next election, the 'other' party generally gets put into power. Except during wartime. (real wars, not these little brushfires that are going on now.)

 

 

It's the fact that he really is no different which is most worrying about it though. It's pretty much 'last chance saloon' and what will happen when all the people realise they have been betrayed... yet again.

 

It really doesn't matter which one we put in office, we are going to get bent over in any event. Just depends on which issue you want to get bent over for. Some of trumps ideas I actually like. Given that I absolutely despise Hilary, I simply will NOT vote for her. So, that leaves The Donald. Provided the republican party doesn't bend HIM over, and find some way to nominate someone else. At that point, I really don't know who I would vote for....

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

Has nobody realised yet that Trump IS part of the establishment. Where do people think his wealth is invested? His ties to people that he is 'against'...

 

I mean he made reality TV shows for goodness sake. Or are people just too desperate or bedazzled to join the dots?

 

The fact that people think he will solve their problems, is the actual problem.

 

His campaign is very clever, deceitful, but oh so clever.

And again, that makes him different from any other politician how?

 

He has republican leanings, after 8 years of democratic rule, the people are extremely dissatisfied. Of course, this is quite typical. If you look, following two terms of one party 'rule', come the next election, the 'other' party generally gets put into power. Except during wartime. (real wars, not these little brushfires that are going on now.)

 

 

It's the fact that he really is no different which is most worrying about it though. It's pretty much 'last chance saloon' and what will happen when all the people realise they have been betrayed... yet again.

 

It really doesn't matter which one we put in office, we are going to get bent over in any event. Just depends on which issue you want to get bent over for. Some of trumps ideas I actually like. Given that I absolutely despise Hilary, I simply will NOT vote for her. So, that leaves The Donald. Provided the republican party doesn't bend HIM over, and find some way to nominate someone else. At that point, I really don't know who I would vote for....

 

 

What about the libertarian party?

[RattleAndGrind]

Are you attributing all of that to Donald? Or, just the republican party? A lot of it is pure nonsense...

It is all nonsense. But every bit of it has been done or said by elected Republicans at the Federal, State and Local levels of government.

 

What is worse, it that the Republican candidate for United States President repeats this feces in word and deed.

 

I couldn't make this level of asininity up.

Edited June 21, 2016 by RattleAndGrind

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

Has nobody realised yet that Trump IS part of the establishment. Where do people think his wealth is invested? His ties to people that he is 'against'...

 

I mean he made reality TV shows for goodness sake. Or are people just too desperate or bedazzled to join the dots?

 

The fact that people think he will solve their problems, is the actual problem.

 

His campaign is very clever, deceitful, but oh so clever.

And again, that makes him different from any other politician how?

 

He has republican leanings, after 8 years of democratic rule, the people are extremely dissatisfied. Of course, this is quite typical. If you look, following two terms of one party 'rule', come the next election, the 'other' party generally gets put into power. Except during wartime. (real wars, not these little brushfires that are going on now.)

 

 

It's the fact that he really is no different which is most worrying about it though. It's pretty much 'last chance saloon' and what will happen when all the people realise they have been betrayed... yet again.

 

It really doesn't matter which one we put in office, we are going to get bent over in any event. Just depends on which issue you want to get bent over for. Some of trumps ideas I actually like. Given that I absolutely despise Hilary, I simply will NOT vote for her. So, that leaves The Donald. Provided the republican party doesn't bend HIM over, and find some way to nominate someone else. At that point, I really don't know who I would vote for....

 

 

What about the libertarian party?

 

 

Unfortunately, third-party candidates really don't stand much of a chance, even in this day and age.

 

 

Are you attributing all of that to Donald? Or, just the republican party? A lot of it is pure nonsense...

It is all nonsense. But every bit of it has been done or said by elected Republicans at the Federal, State and Local levels of government.

 

What is worse, it that the Republican candidate for United States President repeats is in word and deed.

 

I couldn't make this level of asininity up.

 

Include the dems in that as well.

 

Face it. Politicians lie. They makes stuff up as they go, cherry pick their facts/statistics, blatantly falsify claims, and a host of other ills, that we wouldn't accept from our friends. Why do we accept it for our supposed 'leaders'?

[RattleAndGrind]

 

<snip>

 

What about the libertarian party?

 

X people will vote for Da Dump 'cause their souls have been filled with Da Dump. Y people will vote for Hilarity 'cause they get the joke. Z people will vote for The Head (Peterson is a stoner who stopped smoking weed 7 weeks ago) 'cause the Dump stinks and Hilarity is a joke.

 

With this scenario, the following happens

 

Y < X

Z < Y

 

Vote libertarian. You are guaranteed two things. 1, Your vote was meaningless, 'cause The Head has no chance of winning and 2. Da Dump becomes the President of These United States.

 

But if P people vote for Hilarity instead of The Stoner, here is what happens.

 

Y + P > X

 

Hilarity (the big joke but the lesser of two weasels) wins, your ballot has not gone to waste and we can return Da Dump back to the bottom of the outhouse.

[HeyYou]

 

 

<snip>

 

What about the libertarian party?

 

X people will vote for Da Dump 'cause their souls have been filled with Da Dump. Y people will vote for Hilarity 'cause they get the joke. Z people will vote for The Head (Peterson is a stoner who stopped smoking weed 7 weeks ago) 'cause the Dump stinks and Hilarity is a joke.

 

With this scenario, the following happens

 

Y < X

Z < Y

 

Vote libertarian. You are guaranteed two things. 1, Your vote was meaningless, 'cause The Head has no chance of winning and 2. Da Dump becomes the President of These United States.

 

But if P people vote for Hilarity instead of The Stoner, here is what happens.

 

Y + P > X

 

Hilarity (the big joke but the lesser of two weasels) wins, your ballot has not gone to waste and we can return Da Dump back to the bottom of the outhouse.

 

Valid point, however, I find Trump to be the lesser of the two evils...... Which is really sad. No way in hell would I ever even consider voting for hilary......

[RattleAndGrind]

 

 

 

Are you attributing all of that to Donald? Or, just the republican party? A lot of it is pure nonsense...

It is all nonsense. But every bit of it has been done or said by elected Republicans at the Federal, State and Local levels of government.

 

What is worse, it that the Republican candidate for United States President repeats is in word and deed.

 

I couldn't make this level of asininity up.

 

Include the dems in that as well.

 

Face it. Politicians lie. They makes stuff up as they go, cherry pick their facts/statistics, blatantly falsify claims, and a host of other ills, that we wouldn't accept from our friends. Why do we accept it for our supposed 'leaders'?

 

Nope, every thing in that list was said or done by one or more republicans. And most of then were well before this election cycle got into full swing, so you cannot minimize them by blaming "election politics".

 

One quick example. The line "The constitution is meaningless, the Bible rules supreme" was delivered while standing behind Kim Davis. You remember her, the elected county clerk who defined a Supreme Court Order to issue marriage licences to same gender couples, stating "America is a Christian country and should be ruled by the Bible. This < issuing of marriage licenses to same gender couples > is a sin and I will not go against my religious beliefs. Supreme Court be damned." Kim Davis became a Republican celebrity for her "strong religious stance".

 

Okay, two. The Republican dominated Texas legislature passed some draconian laws governing the operation of places that offered "Free Woman's Health Services". These laws were so restrictive that all but twelve centers have closed statewide. Now, poorer women have to travel to Louisiana, Oklahoma or New Mexico for family planning assistance, for a pregnancy test, or for their annual PAP smear or a Mammogram.

 

Okay, one more. The Republican Presidential Candidate mimed the spasmodic body motions of a man who is physically challenged, all the while ridiculing the man, his profession and his life.

 

I could detail every item in that list. And you will either believe it or not.

 

The funny thing is, I do not care. I could document this same kind of mind numbing excrement for the Democrats. The truth is that I hate the stupid ignorant arrogant hypocrisy of both parties. My honest belief is that both parties are extremist organizations who hold the America People hostage to satisfy their narrow minded ideologies. Trump is an idiot. Hillary is no better. I may just vote for Pat Paulsen again. Or maybe I will vote for "None of the above".

Edited June 21, 2016 by RattleAndGrind

[Signette]

@Aurielius

Appreciate the links, but those are very formal reports, not really contributing to our discussion.

First document basically says that US should lock off China in their region, taking every advantage not to lose current economical and military superiority and making predictions up to 2020 as how their forces would develop, which should really be hard to predict considering economical instability...

Second document, named: "Restoring the power and purpose of the NATO alliance" (like it has ever been more powerfull) pretty generic document, presenting everything being threat as is, without much of elaboration on why it may be a threat. It is completely understandable for US to strive for keeping leadership and domination in the world, but nevertheless, I think we have derailed too much already and arguing on these documents in every detail wouldn't be possible, so I'd rather have this discussion closed.

Still, it was interesting to hear opinions, which I clearly wasn't expecting.

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

Are you attributing all of that to Donald? Or, just the republican party? A lot of it is pure nonsense...

It is all nonsense. But every bit of it has been done or said by elected Republicans at the Federal, State and Local levels of government.

 

What is worse, it that the Republican candidate for United States President repeats is in word and deed.

 

I couldn't make this level of asininity up.

 

Include the dems in that as well.

 

Face it. Politicians lie. They makes stuff up as they go, cherry pick their facts/statistics, blatantly falsify claims, and a host of other ills, that we wouldn't accept from our friends. Why do we accept it for our supposed 'leaders'?

 

Nope, every thing in that list was said or done by one or more republicans. And most of then were well before this election cycle got into full swing, so you cannot minimize them by blaming "election politics".

 

One quick example. The line "The constitution is meaningless, the Bible rules supreme" was delivered while standing behind Kim Davis. You remember her, the elected county clerk who defined a Supreme Court Order to issue marriage licences to same gender couples, stating "America is a Christian country and should be ruled by the Bible. This < issuing of marriage licenses to same gender couples > is a sin and I will not go against my religious beliefs. Supreme Court be damned." Kim Davis became a Republican celebrity for her "strong religious stance".

 

Okay, two. The Republican dominated Texas legislature passed some draconian laws governing the operation of places that offered "Free Woman's Health Services". These laws were so restrictive that all but twelve centers have closed statewide. Now, poorer women have to travel to Louisiana, Oklahoma or New Mexico for family planning assistance, for a pregnancy test, or for their annual PAP smear or a Mammogram.

 

Okay, one more. The Republican Presidential Candidate mimed the spasmodic body motions of a man who is physically challenged, all the while ridiculing the man, his profession and his life.

 

I could detail every item in that list. And you will either believe it or not.

 

The funny thing is, I do not care. I could document this same kind of mind numbing excrement for the Democrats. The truth is that I hate the stupid ignorant arrogant hypocrisy of both parties. My honest belief is that both parties are extremist organizations who hold the America People hostage to satisfy their narrow minded ideologies. Trump is an idiot. Hillary is no better. I may just vote for Pat Paulsen again. Or maybe I will vote for "None of the above".

 

I think "none of the above" should be a vote that counts. If NotA wins, then ALL the candidates go home, and we start over again...... :D