Possible US President Trump, what possible consequences?

[Maharg67]

 

 

Trump as President doesn't worry me in the least, but 8 more years of American Democrat Liberal BS scares the hell of of me.

Right there wit' ya Waldo. :D

 

Same :thumbsup:

 

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As for the concern that he will ruin our standing among the world and incite WW III ...imo are unfounded.

 

The US as it stands ...has tremendous military capability***** and once we untangle ourselves and fix our domestic economic issues, we will have that "largest factory on earth" mode that Rommel and the Third Reich feared.

 

However our current "leader" despite having one of...if not the best...stick (US Military) to act as the leader of the US and the West...he hasn't used it effectively:

 

- he seems afraid to commit, one way or the other (people pleaser, all over the map)

- in process of drawing down out forces due to " Peace" (yet the conflict is heating up again)

- acts like a puppet, rather then a president (bowing to the Saudi King)

 

I highly doubt Trump will have these problems. As for the thought that he will incite war....we've been in conflict mode for years...an actual, full on war might just be what needs to happen to win over in the Middle East.

 

Not playing at war... not an executive order of war... total war that unites the American people until its won...not some news story that shows up for 60 minutes and when its over the people settle back into the matrix.

 

***** Despite the current social justice experiment that is messing up systems that work, because those systems are not sensitive to the LGTBQAAIP, Feminists, and the feelings of the Muslims

 

Anyway, did you guys see that Trump video?

 

300 Trump Video

 

 

International diplomacy has always been a precarious balancing act and big wars have always come at a big cost to many including in the loss of countless lives.

 

Trump could help disrupt US international relationships with others and damage them in general in what is now a period of change, of challenges, and uncertainty.

 

As for a total war, waged by the USA against ???? it would be one that the USA would probably lose even if it won so great would be the damage done by the war such as the sheer wastage of dwindling vital resources and the destruction of infrastructure. Most importantly there would be a whole lot of pointless deaths.

 

I know very well that I am responding to the ranting ravings of an anonymous forum guest but there are those who believe that such a war would be good for the USA. Mind you there are such people in Russia, China, etc.

 

PS: I can not see how the USA waging some kind of total war would 'win over the Middle East' or how that statement has any real meaning to it as the Middle East is far from being one whole entity, is a whole lot of factions many of which hate each other.

[Aurielius]

I'm not going to say much about the preceding but in my experience the only people enthused about engaging in war are ones that have never heard a shot fired in anger.

Between the over estimation of our depleted military industrial complex by some and the underestimation of our capabilities by others I would posit this thought....

"Nothing is predictable after first contact with the enemy" -Guderian ..... which is why war should always be the last option not the first.

[HeyYou]

I'm not going to say much about the preceding but in my experience the only people enthused about engaging in war are ones that have never heard a shot fired in anger.

Between the over estimation of our depleted military industrial complex by some and the underestimation of our capabilities by others I would posit this thought....

"Nothing is predictable after first contact with the enemy" -Guderian ..... which is why war should always be the last option not the first.

Agreed, it's the folks with no 'skin in the game' that are the ones that are quick to leap to military intervention...... Maybe the Israelis have the right of it here, with mandatory military service for ALL men..... If those congressfolk advocating for war actually had kids in combat positions, they might be a bit more circumspect about sending them to war.

[Signette]

I honestly don't think WWIII or any variations of this is worth even mentioning, because there are basically no real prerequisites for this, and surely even such extraordinate man as mr. Trump wouldn't be able to trigger something like that, no matter how hard he may try. I'm no expert, but to me it looks like enourmous countries... or rather multinational territorial confederations, such as US, RF, EU and etc. doesn't rely on single individual as form of leadership, but very complex and grand political machines, where everyone, from gardeners to speechwriters, corp heads, military and presidents, as gears in giant mechanism, play their role with minimum, close to non, individual input, because it doesn't seem like otherwise, general political course of these subjects (both external and internal) would be so stable and invariable thoughout the years and several presidentships. Any elections look more like some very expensive and impressive shows, rather than real political fight for power, with the difference that US and EU elections have some intrigue and no one can say for sure, who will be next president, not like it matters IMHO...

 

 

Not trying to offend anyone but seriously, does it matter who becomes US president? He or she will sign a contract with a few banks/corps and play complaisant pawn while pretending to be a leader. I wish Trump would win though, at least that would be really amusing to watch news with press cons and speeches.

See, that's just it. Trump already has more money than god, so, he doesn't care about any of that. He financed his own campaign, so, if elected, he isn't going to be beholden to anyone. I really don't think he cares about a second term either, so it really doesn't matter what powers-that-be he pisses off. He can do pretty much as he pleases, insofar as the office allows. Should be interesting to watch. :D

 

Yes, he is definitely very wealthy and powerfull man... in a sense, but I don't think he's immortal or stupid enough to mess up the "big game" and cross some other wealthy, powerfull groups, as it may result in the same tragedy, befell the John F. Kennedy in early 60s...

Edited May 8, 2016 by Signette

[sunshinenbrick]

 

I'm not going to say much about the preceding but in my experience the only people enthused about engaging in war are ones that have never heard a shot fired in anger.

Between the over estimation of our depleted military industrial complex by some and the underestimation of our capabilities by others I would posit this thought....

"Nothing is predictable after first contact with the enemy" -Guderian ..... which is why war should always be the last option not the first.

Agreed, it's the folks with no 'skin in the game' that are the ones that are quick to leap to military intervention...... Maybe the Israelis have the right of it here, with mandatory military service for ALL men..... If those congressfolk advocating for war actually had kids in combat positions, they might be a bit more circumspect about sending them to war.

 

 

Who are the kids going to be in combat positions with in order to grow wary of it?

 

I think we have many war scars in our societies that go beyond those that happen at the 'frontline'. From the families of the soldiers, to the devestated communites of expansionism through carpet bomb drone attacks and the battle minded children of our homes - war by proxy has a very distinct and profound effect on us all.

 

We in the 'western' world have become dangerously dissociated. Our period of 'peace' has been at the expense of re-branding and effectively ignoring the atrocities that have happened to those less fortunate, much of the time to our benefit if not by our 'own' hands.

 

The use of human labour as a market commodity combined with our quest for individualism and ecouraged desire to craft our futures as we want them to be, has led to a wearing of our social fabric and ability to deal with issues and problems that are close to the skin. We fear and are estranged by our neighbours as much as we perhaps now even fear ourselves and what we might be capable of.

 

Nothing is new about any of this of course, except now we are all more closely connected and ever more paranoid (with good reason even). It only takes a butterfly to start a monsoon, and war has been inextricably part of the plan for 'world peace' ever since it's inception.

[HeyYou]

I honestly don't think WWIII or any variations of this is worth even mentioning, because there are basically no real prerequisites for this, and surely even such extraordinate man as mr. Trump wouldn't be able to trigger something like that, no matter how hard he may try. I'm no expert, but to me it looks like enourmous countries... or rather multinational territorial confederations, such as US, RF, EU and etc. doesn't rely on single individual as form of leadership, but very complex and grand political machines, where everyone, from gardeners to speechwriters, corp heads, military and presidents, as gears in giant mechanism, play their role with minimum, close to non, individual input, because it doesn't seem like otherwise, general political course of these subjects (both external and internal) would be so stable and invariable thoughout the years and several presidentships. Any elections look more like some very expensive and impressive shows, rather than real political fight for power, with the difference that US and EU elections have some intrigue and no one can say for sure, who will be next president, not like it matters IMHO...

 

 

Not trying to offend anyone but seriously, does it matter who becomes US president? He or she will sign a contract with a few banks/corps and play complaisant pawn while pretending to be a leader. I wish Trump would win though, at least that would be really amusing to watch news with press cons and speeches.

See, that's just it. Trump already has more money than god, so, he doesn't care about any of that. He financed his own campaign, so, if elected, he isn't going to be beholden to anyone. I really don't think he cares about a second term either, so it really doesn't matter what powers-that-be he pisses off. He can do pretty much as he pleases, insofar as the office allows. Should be interesting to watch. :D

 

Yes, he is definitely very wealthy and powerfull man... in a sense, but I don't think he's immortal or stupid enough to mess up the "big game" and cross some other wealthy, powerfull groups, as it may result in the same tragedy, befell the John F. Kennedy in early 60s...

Any president has the power to trigger WWIII. All it would take is one wrong decision, and away we go. Why do you think we have so far tolerated Russian fighter jets buzzing our ships, and other aircraft, in international waters/airspace? What they are doing (the Russians) is indeed justification to shoot down their aircraft, yet, we haven't. Yet...... How do you think Russia would react if we splashed a couple of them? They would likely want some tit for tat, and shoot at a couple of ours, which could rapidly escalate to full-blown war. Not necessarily tossing nukes, as most envision WWIII, but, even a conventional war between super-powers would unleash destruction on an epic scale.

 

Every president also runs the risk of assassination...... It hasn't happened lately, as security for the pres has gotten much better, as have criminal investigation techniques. Should someone actually succeed at whacking him dead, chances are very good they would be caught..... and that's the end of their empire.

 

Not to mention, I think Trump is far to arrogant to think anyone would actually make an attempt on his life. :)

 

 

@Sunshinebrick: It's not so much the kids in combat growing tired of it, its the folks that are SENDING Them there. It's an easy decision for them, as none of THEIR kids will be involved. Now, make military service mandatory, and that becomes no longer the case. Sending THEIR OWN children off to war would lend them a whole new perspective on the decision.

[Marxist ßastard]

It's an easy decision for them, as none of THEIR kids will be involved. Now, make military service mandatory, and that becomes no longer the case. Sending THEIR OWN children off to war would lend them a whole new perspective on the decision.

 

Not really. They can always enlist their spawn in the Texas Air National Guard to train on the F-35.

Edited May 9, 2016 by Marxist ßastard

[Signette]

@HeyYou

Huh, that's funny, because from russian mass media you can hear non-stop about encroaching NATO to it's borders, provoking agression and getting ready for full-scale invasion, plus same NATO aircraft and navy often "getting lost" and "buzzing" over RF territory occasionally to be perfectly objective. Regarding provoking act of war on taking down some forces, there was russian plane taken down in Syrian sky sometime ago, and what happened exactly? According to propaganda, that was perfect bait to instigate full scale invasion by RF as "agressor" and Turkey should have been levelled by now, but instead only thing RF president did was cutting off trade and diplomatic relationships, doesn't add up to agressive invaders longing for war, eh?

 

I wouldn't exactly eat up from either mass media info, because 99% of it is a complete and mind numbing propoganda, but according to relations between US and RF one can only think that those work in very good cooperation, trade interests, while feeding "grand enemy" image to it's people which is alway good for business and keeping masses calmed. On realistic side, non of these countries would ever risk it's territory to invaders, and in case of real war there's absolutely no chance for ANY country to resist full-scale NATO invasion, whose the only option would be nukes, leading to mutual devastation. I believe either side perfectly understands this, and I have no idea how it may come to this, like... ever? That goes without saying how US holds entire world by their balls with its $$$ currency...

[HeyYou]

Syria is a war zone though. Some losses are EXPECTED. The news really didn't cover the shoot-down all that much, and we have no idea what happened behind the scenes to prevent an escalation......

[RGMage2]

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