Harbringe Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Trump orders the US military to do something which they are prohibited from doing and are obligated to resist. (military code , international treaties , Constitution) . Tries to force the issue by other means , US military becomes obligated to remove President from Office. Half the country (Trump supporters with guns) view this as a takeover by the establishment (NWO or whatever) and the 2nd American Civil War begins. But yeah I know its just conspiracy stuff ..... not like there are a bunch of people out there all filled with hate and rage looking for someone or anything to blame whatever ails them on ... not like their ready to go. Boom. Edited May 10, 2016 by Harbringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 We are already engaging in proxy wars with Russia, in both Syria, and Ukraine, possibly other places as well...... And yes, the US is pressing their influence on places that used to be part of the USSR.... Still and all, that doesn't make Russias behavior excusable....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 We are already engaging in proxy wars with Russia, in both Syria, and Ukraine, possibly other places as well...... And yes, the US is pressing their influence on places that used to be part of the USSR.... Still and all, that doesn't make Russias behavior excusable.......Lets be clear the last few flybys are the aviation equivalent of the middle finger. These incidents are only made possible by the perception that we have no red line that the current administration is not willing to back down over. Putin is a pragmatist and is willing to risk provocations for what he sees as negligible consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 We are already engaging in proxy wars with Russia, in both Syria, and Ukraine, possibly other places as well...... And yes, the US is pressing their influence on places that used to be part of the USSR.... Still and all, that doesn't make Russias behavior excusable.......Lets be clear the last few flybys are the aviation equivalent of the middle finger. These incidents are only made possible by the perception that we have no red line that the current administration is not willing to back down over. Putin is a pragmatist and is willing to risk provocations for what he sees as negligible consequences. Pretty much. :) Wonder if the pilots feel the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Where to start? Most of his companies have been run into the ground in the last 10 years only to be kept alive from taking money from one company to keep the others afloat. Trying to ban anything in the US has, historically, never worked. Least of all thought control. Trying to close off immigration or deport people because they are from a certain country has always been expensive, filled with serious problems, and been the cause of countless human rights violations. Mexico gets no benefit from building a wall except in the case of an impending ice age, which people are actively trying to dispute and ignore, good luck trying to force that. Any policy enacted by President requires agreement by Congress and the Supreme court. You can promise anything you want, but most of these ideas won't get approval. Whatever might just fails due to logistics or by nature of people actively resisting these ideas. Frankly wouldn't be surprised if the whole notion of the Republican party supporting Trump isn't just an effort to push someone with a recognizable name through, someone they can attach a vice-president to who is actually capable of pushing the party agenda, and disposing of the unwanted bits after they've been elected and sworn into office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signette Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) We are already engaging in proxy wars with Russia, in both Syria, and Ukraine, possibly other places as well...... And yes, the US is pressing their influence on places that used to be part of the USSR.... Still and all, that doesn't make Russias behavior excusable.......Hm, that might be a matter of perspective, but I don't see any "wars" going on right there. Regarding Ukraine, that was pretty much simple tradeoff, mr. Putin is craving for political rating points (or rather his image makers) for upcoming elections and he wanted Crimea for it stat, quickly and bloodless, so he traded entire western Ukraine for this, instigated conflict and now making money in this plus having, ahem, trump card as Crimea in his sleeve improving his rating. Same happens in Syria, such conflicts are always very good for business, US securing their part of resourses and RF theirs, plus one of last military bases on Middle East they have left. To be perfectly clear, mr. Putin is acting more like gas and oil companies top manager than real president, all his team is caring about are incomes from these sources and internal policy is non-existent in this contry, everything else is in stagnation and total degradation. Regarding this flyby, I seriously don't see what all the fuss is about, it's definitely wasn't intended as military act or middle-finger-something, feels like both sides had their share of fun judging by the video. You see, when military is threatened, they won't take out their cameras and comment "hostile" actions like they did. Feels more like guys were bored, both pilot and dudes on carrier, why not have a little show? Public and media take on this doesn't make any sense really. And regarding mr. Trump again, gotta agree with Vagrant0 here, it seems pretty much like political rethoric and nothing more, still, the point is: IF he becomes the president, drastic changes won't happen, if any at all... Edited May 11, 2016 by Signette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshinenbrick Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I was wondering whether Russia might become part of NATO, if not already. All these theatrics are just that, a diversion while the real plans go under a guise of 'confusion'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 We are already engaging in proxy wars with Russia, in both Syria, and Ukraine, possibly other places as well...... And yes, the US is pressing their influence on places that used to be part of the USSR.... Still and all, that doesn't make Russias behavior excusable.......Hm, that might be a matter of perspective, but I don't see any "wars" going on right there. Regarding Ukraine, that was pretty much simple tradeoff, mr. Putin is craving for political rating points (or rather his image makers) for upcoming elections and he wanted Crimea for it stat, quickly and bloodless, so he traded entire western Ukraine for this, instigated conflict and now making money in this plus having, ahem, trump card as Crimea in his sleeve improving his rating. Same happens in Syria, such conflicts are always very good for business, US securing their part of resourses and RF theirs, plus one of last military bases on Middle East they have left. To be perfectly clear, mr. Putin is acting more like gas and oil companies top manager than real president, all his team is caring about are incomes from these sources and internal policy is non-existent in this contry, everything else is in stagnation and total degradation. Regarding this flyby, I seriously don't see what all the fuss is about, it's definitely wasn't intended as military act or middle-finger-something, feels like both sides had their share of fun judging by the video. You see, when military is threatened, they won't take out their cameras and comment "hostile" actions like they did. Feels more like guys were bored, both pilot and dudes on carrier, why not have a little show? Public and media take on this doesn't make any sense really. And regarding mr. Trump again, gotta agree with Vagrant0 here, it seems pretty much like political rethoric and nothing more, still, the point is: IF he becomes the president, drastic changes won't happen, if any at all... You don't see the war in Syria? Seriously? What do you call it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signette Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 @HeyYouArtificially made up local conflict for resource control under guise of opposition fighting dictator? Yes, people are dying, but it lacks scale to be called full blown war, it looks like it can be stopped with a single finger snap by any of major participants, not sure that would be benificial for either of sides though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 @HeyYouArtificially made up local conflict for resource control under guise of opposition fighting dictator? Yes, people are dying, but it lacks scale to be called full blown war, it looks like it can be stopped with a single finger snap by any of major participants, not sure that would be benificial for either of sides though...Ah, so you are just playing semantics. I get it. And no, it would take more than just one of the major players to make it stop. Even if Assad resigned right this minute, the 'conflict' would continue. So, we have a variety of US backed "rebels", fighting against Russia backed Assad regime, in a conflict involve lots of guys with guns, artillery, and even aircraft.... Ya know, that sounds an awful lot like a "war" to me...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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