Possible US President Trump, what possible consequences?

[Thaneize]

In general, what you guys on the other side of the atlantic are expeierencing politically is super wierd for us europeans. Especially the neoconservative movement, which expereince too btw, but in a weaker way.
Everytime i see what the US offer and what seems to be common sense there (ofc i can't know for sure, the media might be lying), i think of how lucky i am not living in the US.

When I have to be taken by an Ambulance or when i have an expensive medical treatment, i don't have to pay a cent, i am studying for free (5000€ credit with no interest from the state because i had to pay for my rent), i don't know anyone who owns a firearm or who accidentally shot someone, if id buy a car with no CO2 emission id get 50% of the price paid back because its good for the environment. And it is in no way cutting our freedom. With a EU passport you can travel to more countries without visa than with a US passport. The State police can't just enter my home or trace my phone legally whenever they please because i was saying two keywords words or was talking arabic and a murderer can't just get away because he has an expensive lawyer.

 

About the topic.

Something important like healthcare shouldn't be given into the hands of people who try to make profit with it, it should be run by the state and no one else. Would Trump as a billionaire and Businessman do that? (Honest question)

Immigration is an Issue here too, most European countries are accepting up to 50.000 refugees and Immigrants a year some none whatsoever (Macedonia, Poland), while Greece and Germany have both accepted about a Million legal immigrants/refugees each in 2015/16. The US are accepting as far as i am informed 80.000 legal immigrants and refugees per year, but well, the green border to Mexico and the coastlines are big. The problem is, the US are highly in debt and a 2000 Mile Wall/Fence is pretty expensive tobuild and maintain, means less money for things that are actually useful. (Healthcare and Education).

 

More opportunities for the land of opportunity, a bit ironic, isn't it?
Always a hard thing to do, most of the President trying on that failed because face it, the US are the Number one Industrial and financial power in the world for now (Lets see how China does in the next decade) but that means, its expensive to produce in the US. Resulting in almost exclusively specialized brand products being made there, same with western EU countries, Japan, Australia and so on. Meaning the branches that are left have to bring the opportinities. Whats left is, Service incl. finance, Resource and heavy industries, food, science and entertainment. Are there places with need? If not, you cant do much except make the need, but that might as well fail due to lack of interest.

 

I can tell, the US have far more internal political problems than Europe has, all we have are Money (because we spend it all on welfare and to save the Banks), Refugees (because we let them in) and a new Nacionalistic movement (because they didn't want to let them all in).

I dont think Trump will be able to get rid of all the Problem, same as Clinton or Sanders would not be but Trump is the kind of douchebag you dont want to have as your president. That is as if we elected Prince Phillip to be the new Leader of europe, hell no.

[HeyYou]

It's because of all the political BS going on here, that Trump stands a good chance of winning.

[Beriallord]

-snip- (no disrespect)

 

Honestly, most people in the US feel the same way about Europe that Europeans feel about the USA. Neither side wants to be in the others position. Neither side likes the others politics. So there is a pretty huge disconnect culturally, and politically between Europe and the USA. Maybe not oil and water, but pretty close. I don't know enough about Europeans to really pinpoint exactly what the core of these differences are, but I can make a simple observation about it acknowledging that a disconnect exists.

 

The political movements in Europe who are trying to curve or stop the influx of refugees are the only ones who make sense to me personally. This 'refugee crisis' is very much caused by US foreign policy, and warmongering. The governors of most States in the USA have refused to take refugees from Syria and the surrounding region. I don't think its fair that Europe has to shoulder the burden, and more Europeans should be asking the same thing. This whole "EU" thing is a foreign idea to me as well. I don't really see a benefit of a Nation like Britain, Germany, or France being a part of something like the EU when any of those countries could stand stronger on their own without an overhead of unelected EU bureaucrats, some might say oligarchs, breathing down their necks. So a party like the UKIP in Britain or a Front National in France would be the closest thing to a political party that I would support that I've seen in Europe. Labor parties are the US equivalent of radical leftists. They're even farther to the left than our Democratic Party. Even parties that aren't as far to the left as labor are still too far to the left for me.

 

The USA hasn't had a viable Nationalist/Populist candidate for president for a very long time. The neoconservative movement has typically had everything locked up tightly for a few decades now. And Trump has effectively defeated them. Its not really surprising that they were defeated, and the only reason neocons have had as much power and influence as they do is from the donor class in America funding them. Which pushed them ahead simply due to having more money and resources rather than having better ideas than the next guy. Trump is a viable alternative, and he doesn't need money from the donor class in America who likes pushing traditional war hawk policies like "spreading freedom and democracy" with military force. Overlooking Trump's rhetoric, because I'm not an emotionally driven reactionary, the policies he's supporting would be an improvement over what we've traditionally had for a long time now.

 

If this was some other election cycle, Trump probably wouldn't have a chance at getting elected. But the left appears to be even more divided between more traditional American leftist policies (Clinton) and more aggressive Socialist policies (Sanders). Clinton is going to be the nominee, unless she ends up being indicted (Obama would pardon her if it came down to it). A lot of Sanders supporters are just gonna stay home, and a few might even vote for Trump in protest. I hate neoconservatism so much, that I'd just assume vote for Bernie Sanders over someone like a Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush, or Ted Cruz and I'm thinking maybe there are some on the left who feel the same way about Clinton.

Edited May 30, 2016 by Beriallord

[HeyYou]

 

-snip- (no disrespect)

 

Honestly, most people in the US feel the same way about Europe that Europeans feel about the USA. Neither side wants to be in the others position. Neither side likes the others politics. So there is a pretty huge disconnect culturally, and politically between Europe and the USA. Maybe not oil and water, but pretty close. I don't know enough about Europeans to really pinpoint exactly what the core of these differences are, but I can make a simple observation about it acknowledging that a disconnect exists.

 

The political movements in Europe who are trying to curve or stop the influx of refugees are the only ones who make sense to me personally. This 'refugee crisis' is very much caused by US foreign policy, and warmongering. The governors of most States in the USA have refused to take refugees from Syria and the surrounding region. I don't think its fair that Europe has to shoulder the burden, and more Europeans should be asking the same thing. This whole "EU" thing is a foreign idea to me as well. I don't really see a benefit of a Nation like Britain, Germany, or France being a part of something like the EU when any of those countries could stand stronger on their own without an overhead of unelected EU bureaucrats, some might say oligarchs, breathing down their necks. So a party like the UKIP in Britain or a Front National in France would be the closest thing to a political party that I would support that I've seen in Europe. Labor parties are the US equivalent of radical leftists. They're even farther to the left than our Democratic Party. Even parties that aren't as far to the left as labor are still too far to the left for me.

 

The USA hasn't had a viable Nationalist/Populist candidate for president for a very long time. The neoconservative movement has typically had everything locked up tightly for a few decades now. And Trump has effectively defeated them. Its not really surprising that they were defeated, and the only reason neocons have had as much power and influence as they do is from the donor class in America funding them. Which pushed them ahead simply due to having more money and resources rather than having better ideas than the next guy. Trump is a viable alternative, and he doesn't need money from the donor class in America who likes pushing traditional war hawk policies like "spreading freedom and democracy" with military force. Overlooking Trump's rhetoric, because I'm not an emotionally driven reactionary, the policies he's supporting would be an improvement over what we've traditionally had for a long time now.

 

If this was some other election cycle, Trump probably wouldn't have a chance at getting elected. But the left appears to be even more divided between more traditional American leftist policies (Clinton) and more aggressive Socialist policies (Sanders). Clinton is going to be the nominee, unless she ends up being indicted (Obama would pardon her if it came down to it). A lot of Sanders supporters are just gonna stay home, and a few might even vote for Trump in protest. I hate neoconservatism so much, that I'd just assume vote for Bernie Sanders over someone like a Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush, or Ted Cruz and I'm thinking maybe there are some on the left who feel the same way about Clinton.

 

Sums up my feelings on the whole situation quite nicely. Thank You. :D

[Rabbit1251]

If any of the current Republicans win then I am moving to Canada. If it is Donald Trump who wins then I am moving all the way back to England. Then, on bended knees, before the Queen Herself, I will beg forgiveness and apologize for that little 1776 misunderstanding.

 

And this all coming from a Native American.

 

 

The Rabbit

[HeyYou]

If any of the current Republicans win then I am moving to Canada. If it is Donald Trump who wins then I am moving all the way back to England. Then, on bended knees, before the Queen Herself, I will beg forgiveness and apologize for that little 1776 misunderstanding.

 

And this all coming from a Native American.

 

 

The Rabbit

Actually, I think Washington DC could use a bit of a shakeup, and The Donald will most certainly provide that. (assuming he isn't assassinated...... :) )

[Marxist ßastard]

yes, a rich white guy, what a shakeup

the Washington establishment's plans, all ruined

[HeyYou]

yes, a rich white guy, what a shakeup

the Washington establishment's plans, all ruined

Exactly. A rich white guy that isn't beholden to ANY special interest group for campaign money. He can piss off anyone he cares to, and doesn't have to worry about campaign funding. He paid for it himself.

[Marxist ßastard]

Let me get this straight, you think the other candidates are bought out by billionaires... So you want to elect one of the billionaires themselves.

[MajKrAzAm]

Win or lose, Trump has changed the American political landscape forever. From this day forward, the Republican voting base will demand a Trump-like candidate to Make America Great Again (or Keep America Great if Trump wins).

The Overton window of acceptable public political discourse has firmly shifted rightward, and I can't imagine any current Trump supporter ever throwing his weight behind a guy like Rubio or Cruz or Jeb in future elections.

Just as the fake conservatives currently brag about their ties to the Reagan legacy, there will need to be a genuine candidate who promises to carry on the Trump legacy. Otherwise, 50% of the Republican voting base will say "f**k it" and stay home.

Trump isn't the last chance or last gasp of this movement. It's just the beginning. But I do believe he is the last chance for our movement to seize power under the current system, because if Hillary wins, two things are going to happen:

1. She will flood the country with 20 million brown people who will all vote Democrat.

2. The Republican establishment will change its rules to guarantee there will never be another Trump-like nominee. Starting by switching every state to a caucus that can be easily controlled and manipulated.