Deleted3507349User Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 A fun and entertaining description is OK, as long as an accurate non-BS readme is available. Something that annoys me also are authors not giving their esp a name that reflects what the mod does, which makes checking load orders a nightmare. I deal with the issue by not using mods that do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthWayne Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 You can just rename the esp. Just make sure to also rename the ba2(s) correctly if the mod has some. You shouldn't do that if you already used the mod in your save though...Regarding descriptions: Why should I bother to spend precious time in writing a really good description if users will still ask me that stuff in the comments? Be glad you can use the mods we already put lots of effort in for free and get free support on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRJump Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I fully agree with the opening statement by Zanity; far too many modders seem to have the page containing the meaning of the word description missing from their dictionary -mostly newcomers, as far as I've seen, though some established ones are also guilty. There's a few responses here claiming that pride in one's work or the level of work ethics involved are only to be observed when there's a monetary recompense at the end. Those are probably the same ones that were in the front row seats causing a stir when there was talks of asking money for mods. Nexus is a wonderful website where a lot of wonderful people gather to exchange information and mods. For free and at no cost whatsoever. Saying "I made a mod but if you want to know what it does, you hafta pay me because without money I all of a sudden feel a laziness coming over me" is simply ludicrous. I personally have never made a mod for any kind of game, but besides gaming I do lots of other stuff. I only have one credo, whatever I do, and that is, if and when you do something, you do it good, or you don't do it at all. People who spend hours and hours to make a mod should have the decency to add a decent description of what their mod is actually all about. Saying you shouldn't bother because users will ask stuff anyway is turning the world upside down. A mechanic at your local garage might get ideas and don't bother to tell you that, after some repairs he executed on your car, the brakes no longer work. No need to tell you as you'll find out for yourself soon enough when going off the road in yonder downhill curve... Granted, there's quite a few people who don't bother to read a description and come asking about things which have been painstakingly chopped down in the description. But that shouldn't be an excuse for no longer bothering to do a proper job. Because, hey, telling us what it's all about is part of what a modder does. Wether you like it or not. It's part of the work ethic. has nothing to do with people reading the description yes or no, but with pride, self-esteem and adding a finishing touch to a labour of love and be able to say "I did a good job here". To keep with the mechanics analogy: the first dude who added a NOS booster to a car was very wise to explain folks what his mod did, else he would be scraping the remains of the driver off of the side wall of that quaint little house in the first swirve down the road. You guys don't bother to add a description? Fine. I won't bother to either use your mod, or still use it but without an endorsement. I might get too lazy to click that button, because, hey, why endorse when the modder can clearly see the amount of unique downloads his/her mod has had... Cheerio, lads and lasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reneer Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) You guys don't bother to add a description? Fine. I won't bother to either use your mod, or still use it but without an endorsement. I might get too lazy to click that button, because, hey, why endorse when the modder can clearly see the amount of unique downloads his/her mod has had..kthxbai, then. Edited May 14, 2016 by Reneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyXXL Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 There's a few responses here claiming that pride in one's work or the level of work ethics involved are only to be observed when there's a monetary recompense at the end. Those are probably the same ones that were in the front row seats causing a stir when there was talks of asking money for mods. Sorry, if you want to judge my work ethics, judge them when I'm working. That's why it's called work ethics and not hobby ethics. One of the biggest advantages of a hobby is, that you can choose yourself what to do, and what not to do. And sorry, quite honestly in the time I have I much prefer doing things that are fun to me. Writing descriptions is one of the most frustrating things for me. In case of my BodySlide Conversions, in the time I spent on the description, I could easily have made 2-3 more Conversions. And that is after Calyps was nice enough to help me getting it setup. If writing a description is something fun for you, and you enjoy that, good for you. send me a pm, I got some mods, released and unreleased that could use better descriptions, but until that happens you'll have to live with half-assed descriptions for my mods, that sometimes lack some information. Nexus is a wonderful website where a lot of wonderful people gather to exchange information and mods. For free and at no cost whatsoever. Saying "I made a mod but if you want to know what it does, you hafta pay me because without money I all of a sudden feel a laziness coming over me" is simply ludicrous. I personally have never made a mod for any kind of game, but besides gaming I do lots of other stuff. I only have one credo, whatever I do, and that is, if and when you do something, you do it good, or you don't do it at all. People who spend hours and hours to make a mod should have the decency to add a decent description of what their mod is actually all about. Saying you shouldn't bother because users will ask stuff anyway is turning the world upside down. Yeah, whatever. not enjoying writing a description, but still sharing my mods that I often spent dozens of hours on for free....you know, this attitude is the worst kind...just "gimme, gimme, gimme"...and then calling the giving hand lazy, because they don't give you all you want... A mechanic at your local garage might get ideas and don't bother to tell you that, after some repairs he executed on your car, the brakes no longer work. No need to tell you as you'll find out for yourself soon enough when going off the road in yonder downhill curve... Granted, there's quite a few people who don't bother to read a description and come asking about things which have been painstakingly chopped down in the description. But that shouldn't be an excuse for no longer bothering to do a proper job. Because, hey, telling us what it's all about is part of what a modder does. Wether you like it or not. It's part of the work ethic. has nothing to do with people reading the description yes or no, but with pride, self-esteem and adding a finishing touch to a labour of love and be able to say "I did a good job here". Yeah, that mechanic probably worked for free, too... And again, this isn't my job. I ain't getting paid, so everything I do, is already doing more than my job, even my description looked like -> "..." <- that. And again, work ethics has no place here. this is a hobby. You want stuff for free, you get what you pay for. Because if you pay nothing, you deserve nothing, easy as that. Oh, and you know that pride is a sin? :tongue: And additionally what I think what's good enough, might differ heavily from what you think what's good enough. If mine isn't good enough for you, make it yourself. Easy as that. You guys don't bother to add a description? Fine. I won't bother to either use your mod, or still use it but without an endorsement. Good for you. I might get too lazy to click that button, because, hey, why endorse when the modder can clearly see the amount of unique downloads his/her mod has had... Cheerio, lads and lasses. You mean lazy as in spending dozens, or in some cases even hundrets of hours on the mod and then sharing it for free? Again. If you find a description lacking, contact the modder in a nice and respectful way, and ask if he needs help. But this demanding attitude here in this Thread is horrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRJump Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 For those whom it might concern: I demand nothing. At all. I expect. If you present me something, have the courtesy to say what it's about because that's what should be done. If you don't feel like doing that, then there's something wrong with you. Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reneer Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) For those whom it might concern: I demand nothing. At all. I expect. If you present me something, have the courtesy to say what it's about because that's what should be done. If you don't feel like doing that, then there's something wrong with you. Point. Yeah, see, you don't get to arbitrate what should and should not be done. You don't pay us, we give out our work for free. If you don't like what we do (or don't do) simply find another mod author that meets your expectations. Edited May 14, 2016 by Reneer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyXXL Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 For those whom it might concern: I demand nothing. At all. I expect. If you present me something, have the courtesy to say what it's about because that's what should be done. If you don't feel like doing that, then there's something wrong with you. Point. Can you please comment on one of my files, so I can help you with not using my files anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthWayne Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 For those whom it might concern: I demand nothing. At all. I expect. If you present me something, have the courtesy to say what it's about because that's what should be done. If you don't feel like doing that, then there's something wrong with you. Point.Can you please comment on one of my files, so I can help you with not using my files anymore?See? We help wherever we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoogerMan Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 In my humble opinion... These creations that allow you to alter a game to your own taste - some of which are quite brilliant - are provided for FREE. FOR FREE. Creating and using mods is supposed to be a fun hobby (despite resent efforts to monetize it). As such... mod authors don't owe you ANYTHING. The OP sounds like he's filing a complaint with Customer Service or some such nonsense. He comes off as one of those horrible, entitled, petty people who walk around department stores, treating anyone with a name tag like a serf. If something about a mod or its description just gets your goat, then feel free to take a hike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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