Transgender Our rights as opposed to those who look the part.

[HeyYou]

Not all 'Trans' people are pervs or pedos, and if one understands transsexuality they would know it is more likely the other 98 - 99 percent of the population who have a higher majority of people with distasteful curiosities.

I don't see the other 98% or so trying to use the wrong bathroom.

[kvnchrist]

 

HeyYou, imo you have a real knack for typing but not reading.

 

 

Our larger group is already protected, by myriad sexual assault, sexual harrassment and other laws. NC's law is for the convenience of the majority, not their protection.

I think that's a matter of perspective. Personally, I don't want my granddaughter asking my why that 'lady' over there has somethin' swingin' between her legs. Nor do I want some perv/pedo using it as a cover, so he can go into the girls bathroom and get his rocks off.

 

In all reality, in many ways, I agree with the law, use the bathroom for the physical sexual characteristics that you have. If you have the twig and berries, use the mens/boys room. Why is that so hard for people to get?

 

If the choice is between explaining the facts of life to kids, or forcing many or most transgenders to embarrass themselves in public restrooms, imo NC's law has no chance of surviving legal challenges. It's already partially failed its first test.

 

As for public sex and assault etc, as mentioned, dozens and probably hundreds of state and federal laws already prohibit these activities. Also as mentioned, no protection is afforded to the public by NC's law because no enforcement provisions are contained in it. Enforcement is therefore impossible (surprise surprise) and I doubt the state is planning to install birth certificate nannies in all public restrooms. So NC's law amounts to legal harrassment for transgenders and nothing else.

If larger groups are ostensibly already protected, why are folks rights being violated by having some perv/pedo in the wrong restroom?

 

I don't recall reading anywhere you have a right to not be embarrassed. If you are male, use the men's room. That is what it is for.

 

I am seriously tired of society pandering to the least common denominator. If you are uncomfortable with the equipment you were born with, don't use a public restroom. There is zero reason to put everyone else in an uncomfortable position, because someone has delusions of being the other sex. We have become far to politically correct for our own good. I think the world will be a much better place when our society finally implodes on itself from such idiotic behavior.

 

Has it ever occured to you that this did not come from the transgender community. It came from the Government and a desperate left wing. There was a need for a new cause that would excite the Democratic base and send them to the poles. Hillary Clinton is about as interesting as a moose booger . That's why she couldn't put Sanders away and the powers that be knew that. That's why the DNC had to go after Sanders, but they couldn't get his supporters unless they could give them a cause to rally around and since Gay Marriage was off the table, they pulled this out of their hat.

 

The right bite like a trainedfish on their line with this NC thing and the media pounced on them right on cue. WAll Lah, we have a contrivercy and something for the left and the right to rally around. The authors of this rediculious feasile are hoping that the Republican's will stay hom because they don't like Trup and Hillary will kill him in the poles.

 

This is not going to exist after the elections because the Government only wants to use the transgender community as it uses the illegal alien community. Why don't you think we haven't fixed our imigration? It is because if the Government fixed it they would have less issues to demonize others in the eyes of their constituents.

[HeyYou]

 

 

HeyYou, imo you have a real knack for typing but not reading.

 

 

Our larger group is already protected, by myriad sexual assault, sexual harrassment and other laws. NC's law is for the convenience of the majority, not their protection.

I think that's a matter of perspective. Personally, I don't want my granddaughter asking my why that 'lady' over there has somethin' swingin' between her legs. Nor do I want some perv/pedo using it as a cover, so he can go into the girls bathroom and get his rocks off.

 

In all reality, in many ways, I agree with the law, use the bathroom for the physical sexual characteristics that you have. If you have the twig and berries, use the mens/boys room. Why is that so hard for people to get?

 

If the choice is between explaining the facts of life to kids, or forcing many or most transgenders to embarrass themselves in public restrooms, imo NC's law has no chance of surviving legal challenges. It's already partially failed its first test.

 

As for public sex and assault etc, as mentioned, dozens and probably hundreds of state and federal laws already prohibit these activities. Also as mentioned, no protection is afforded to the public by NC's law because no enforcement provisions are contained in it. Enforcement is therefore impossible (surprise surprise) and I doubt the state is planning to install birth certificate nannies in all public restrooms. So NC's law amounts to legal harrassment for transgenders and nothing else.

If larger groups are ostensibly already protected, why are folks rights being violated by having some perv/pedo in the wrong restroom?

 

I don't recall reading anywhere you have a right to not be embarrassed. If you are male, use the men's room. That is what it is for.

 

I am seriously tired of society pandering to the least common denominator. If you are uncomfortable with the equipment you were born with, don't use a public restroom. There is zero reason to put everyone else in an uncomfortable position, because someone has delusions of being the other sex. We have become far to politically correct for our own good. I think the world will be a much better place when our society finally implodes on itself from such idiotic behavior.

 

Has it ever occured to you that this did not come from the transgender community. It came from the Government and a desperate left wing. There was a need for a new cause that would excite the Democratic base and send them to the poles. Hillary Clinton is about as interesting as a moose booger . That's why she couldn't put Sanders away and the powers that be knew that. That's why the DNC had to go after Sanders, but they couldn't get his supporters unless they could give them a cause to rally around and since Gay Marriage was off the table, they pulled this out of their hat.

 

The right bite like a trainedfish on their line with this NC thing and the media pounced on them right on cue. WAll Lah, we have a contrivercy and something for the left and the right to rally around. The authors of this rediculious feasile are hoping that the Republican's will stay hom because they don't like Trup and Hillary will kill him in the poles.

 

This is not going to exist after the elections because the Government only wants to use the transgender community as it uses the illegal alien community. Why don't you think we haven't fixed our imigration? It is because if the Government fixed it they would have less issues to demonize others in the eyes of their constituents.

 

So the dems are organizing the LBGT community to protest, etc? Hhhhmmm....... Not sure I buy into that one......

[kvnchrist]

 

 

 

HeyYou, imo you have a real knack for typing but not reading.

 

 

Our larger group is already protected, by myriad sexual assault, sexual harrassment and other laws. NC's law is for the convenience of the majority, not their protection.

I think that's a matter of perspective. Personally, I don't want my granddaughter asking my why that 'lady' over there has somethin' swingin' between her legs. Nor do I want some perv/pedo using it as a cover, so he can go into the girls bathroom and get his rocks off.

 

In all reality, in many ways, I agree with the law, use the bathroom for the physical sexual characteristics that you have. If you have the twig and berries, use the mens/boys room. Why is that so hard for people to get?

 

If the choice is between explaining the facts of life to kids, or forcing many or most transgenders to embarrass themselves in public restrooms, imo NC's law has no chance of surviving legal challenges. It's already partially failed its first test.

 

As for public sex and assault etc, as mentioned, dozens and probably hundreds of state and federal laws already prohibit these activities. Also as mentioned, no protection is afforded to the public by NC's law because no enforcement provisions are contained in it. Enforcement is therefore impossible (surprise surprise) and I doubt the state is planning to install birth certificate nannies in all public restrooms. So NC's law amounts to legal harrassment for transgenders and nothing else.

If larger groups are ostensibly already protected, why are folks rights being violated by having some perv/pedo in the wrong restroom?

 

I don't recall reading anywhere you have a right to not be embarrassed. If you are male, use the men's room. That is what it is for.

 

I am seriously tired of society pandering to the least common denominator. If you are uncomfortable with the equipment you were born with, don't use a public restroom. There is zero reason to put everyone else in an uncomfortable position, because someone has delusions of being the other sex. We have become far to politically correct for our own good. I think the world will be a much better place when our society finally implodes on itself from such idiotic behavior.

 

Has it ever occured to you that this did not come from the transgender community. It came from the Government and a desperate left wing. There was a need for a new cause that would excite the Democratic base and send them to the poles. Hillary Clinton is about as interesting as a moose booger . That's why she couldn't put Sanders away and the powers that be knew that. That's why the DNC had to go after Sanders, but they couldn't get his supporters unless they could give them a cause to rally around and since Gay Marriage was off the table, they pulled this out of their hat.

 

The right bite like a trainedfish on their line with this NC thing and the media pounced on them right on cue. WAll Lah, we have a contrivercy and something for the left and the right to rally around. The authors of this rediculious feasile are hoping that the Republican's will stay hom because they don't like Trup and Hillary will kill him in the poles.

 

This is not going to exist after the elections because the Government only wants to use the transgender community as it uses the illegal alien community. Why don't you think we haven't fixed our imigration? It is because if the Government fixed it they would have less issues to demonize others in the eyes of their constituents.

 

So the dems are organizing the LBGT community to protest, etc? Hhhhmmm....... Not sure I buy into that one......

 

They don't just get the lgbt community. They get all those who live for the right to demonize the right in every way known to man. You've got to understand. the mating call of social activists are the sound of prejudice, even that which is fabricated. Why do you think so many instances of racism are being found everywhere.. It's being looked for everywhere by those people who think if they find it, it will validate their ideals.

 

We are being played by the elites on this one.

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

HeyYou, imo you have a real knack for typing but not reading.

 

 

Our larger group is already protected, by myriad sexual assault, sexual harrassment and other laws. NC's law is for the convenience of the majority, not their protection.

I think that's a matter of perspective. Personally, I don't want my granddaughter asking my why that 'lady' over there has somethin' swingin' between her legs. Nor do I want some perv/pedo using it as a cover, so he can go into the girls bathroom and get his rocks off.

 

In all reality, in many ways, I agree with the law, use the bathroom for the physical sexual characteristics that you have. If you have the twig and berries, use the mens/boys room. Why is that so hard for people to get?

 

If the choice is between explaining the facts of life to kids, or forcing many or most transgenders to embarrass themselves in public restrooms, imo NC's law has no chance of surviving legal challenges. It's already partially failed its first test.

 

As for public sex and assault etc, as mentioned, dozens and probably hundreds of state and federal laws already prohibit these activities. Also as mentioned, no protection is afforded to the public by NC's law because no enforcement provisions are contained in it. Enforcement is therefore impossible (surprise surprise) and I doubt the state is planning to install birth certificate nannies in all public restrooms. So NC's law amounts to legal harrassment for transgenders and nothing else.

If larger groups are ostensibly already protected, why are folks rights being violated by having some perv/pedo in the wrong restroom?

 

I don't recall reading anywhere you have a right to not be embarrassed. If you are male, use the men's room. That is what it is for.

 

I am seriously tired of society pandering to the least common denominator. If you are uncomfortable with the equipment you were born with, don't use a public restroom. There is zero reason to put everyone else in an uncomfortable position, because someone has delusions of being the other sex. We have become far to politically correct for our own good. I think the world will be a much better place when our society finally implodes on itself from such idiotic behavior.

 

Has it ever occured to you that this did not come from the transgender community. It came from the Government and a desperate left wing. There was a need for a new cause that would excite the Democratic base and send them to the poles. Hillary Clinton is about as interesting as a moose booger . That's why she couldn't put Sanders away and the powers that be knew that. That's why the DNC had to go after Sanders, but they couldn't get his supporters unless they could give them a cause to rally around and since Gay Marriage was off the table, they pulled this out of their hat.

 

The right bite like a trainedfish on their line with this NC thing and the media pounced on them right on cue. WAll Lah, we have a contrivercy and something for the left and the right to rally around. The authors of this rediculious feasile are hoping that the Republican's will stay hom because they don't like Trup and Hillary will kill him in the poles.

 

This is not going to exist after the elections because the Government only wants to use the transgender community as it uses the illegal alien community. Why don't you think we haven't fixed our imigration? It is because if the Government fixed it they would have less issues to demonize others in the eyes of their constituents.

 

So the dems are organizing the LBGT community to protest, etc? Hhhhmmm....... Not sure I buy into that one......

 

They don't just get the lgbt community. They get all those who live for the right to demonize the right in every way known to man. You've got to understand. the mating call of social activists are the sound of prejudice, even that which is fabricated. Why do you think so many instances of racism are being found everywhere.. It's being looked for everywhere by those people who think if they find it, it will validate their ideals.

 

We are being played by the elites on this one.

 

Well, that wouldn't be anything new under the sun. It will be interesting to see how many of these issues disappear after the election..... I would not be surprised in the least to see your suspicions validated. :D Don't have that much longer to wait either. Quite frankly, I will be happy when it's over and done with. (and then my nephew will stop spouting on about how obama is going to declare martial law, skip the elections, and declare himself dictator.... or whatever.....:D)

[kvnchrist]

 

 

 

 

 

HeyYou, imo you have a real knack for typing but not reading.

 

 

Our larger group is already protected, by myriad sexual assault, sexual harrassment and other laws. NC's law is for the convenience of the majority, not their protection.

I think that's a matter of perspective. Personally, I don't want my granddaughter asking my why that 'lady' over there has somethin' swingin' between her legs. Nor do I want some perv/pedo using it as a cover, so he can go into the girls bathroom and get his rocks off.

 

In all reality, in many ways, I agree with the law, use the bathroom for the physical sexual characteristics that you have. If you have the twig and berries, use the mens/boys room. Why is that so hard for people to get?

 

If the choice is between explaining the facts of life to kids, or forcing many or most transgenders to embarrass themselves in public restrooms, imo NC's law has no chance of surviving legal challenges. It's already partially failed its first test.

 

As for public sex and assault etc, as mentioned, dozens and probably hundreds of state and federal laws already prohibit these activities. Also as mentioned, no protection is afforded to the public by NC's law because no enforcement provisions are contained in it. Enforcement is therefore impossible (surprise surprise) and I doubt the state is planning to install birth certificate nannies in all public restrooms. So NC's law amounts to legal harrassment for transgenders and nothing else.

If larger groups are ostensibly already protected, why are folks rights being violated by having some perv/pedo in the wrong restroom?

 

I don't recall reading anywhere you have a right to not be embarrassed. If you are male, use the men's room. That is what it is for.

 

I am seriously tired of society pandering to the least common denominator. If you are uncomfortable with the equipment you were born with, don't use a public restroom. There is zero reason to put everyone else in an uncomfortable position, because someone has delusions of being the other sex. We have become far to politically correct for our own good. I think the world will be a much better place when our society finally implodes on itself from such idiotic behavior.

 

Has it ever occured to you that this did not come from the transgender community. It came from the Government and a desperate left wing. There was a need for a new cause that would excite the Democratic base and send them to the poles. Hillary Clinton is about as interesting as a moose booger . That's why she couldn't put Sanders away and the powers that be knew that. That's why the DNC had to go after Sanders, but they couldn't get his supporters unless they could give them a cause to rally around and since Gay Marriage was off the table, they pulled this out of their hat.

 

The right bite like a trainedfish on their line with this NC thing and the media pounced on them right on cue. WAll Lah, we have a contrivercy and something for the left and the right to rally around. The authors of this rediculious feasile are hoping that the Republican's will stay hom because they don't like Trup and Hillary will kill him in the poles.

 

This is not going to exist after the elections because the Government only wants to use the transgender community as it uses the illegal alien community. Why don't you think we haven't fixed our imigration? It is because if the Government fixed it they would have less issues to demonize others in the eyes of their constituents.

 

So the dems are organizing the LBGT community to protest, etc? Hhhhmmm....... Not sure I buy into that one......

 

They don't just get the lgbt community. They get all those who live for the right to demonize the right in every way known to man. You've got to understand. the mating call of social activists are the sound of prejudice, even that which is fabricated. Why do you think so many instances of racism are being found everywhere.. It's being looked for everywhere by those people who think if they find it, it will validate their ideals.

 

We are being played by the elites on this one.

 

Well, that wouldn't be anything new under the sun. It will be interesting to see how many of these issues disappear after the election..... I would not be surprised in the least to see your suspicions validated. :D Don't have that much longer to wait either. Quite frankly, I will be happy when it's over and done with. (and then my nephew will stop spouting on about how obama is going to declare martial law, skip the elections, and declare himself dictator.... or whatever..... :D)

 

It's strange what people think when they are told what to believe and despise the opposition enough to know in their heart of hearts that they would do such a thing.

[TheMastersSon]

If larger groups are ostensibly already protected, why are folks rights being violated by having some perv/pedo in the wrong restroom?

 

I don't recall reading anywhere you have a right to not be embarrassed. If you are male, use the men's room. That is what it is for.

 

I am seriously tired of society pandering to the least common denominator. If you are uncomfortable with the equipment you were born with, don't use a public restroom. There is zero reason to put everyone else in an uncomfortable position, because someone has delusions of being the other sex. We have become far to politically correct for our own good. I think the world will be a much better place when our society finally implodes on itself from such idiotic behavior.

 

Can you please reference where it's claimed that sexual perversion and pedophilia in public restrooms were legal in NC before this law? And if you can't, can you at least try and understand what I've already written in this discussion?

 

When you take a child into a public restroom, you risk exposing the kid to all sorts of probably new things, none of which are against the law. Including physical therapy and corrective surgery for transgenders and hermaphrodites. It's not our government's job to shield our kids from the facts of life, one of which is that people are sometimes forced by their delivering physicians and birth certificates into genders that are neither correct nor comfortable for them. They did nothing to deserve being targeted for legal harrassment, according to crime statistics they do nothing to deserve it. Your inference that transgenders equal pervs and pedos says absolutely nothing about transgenders, but lots about you.

 

Which leads to your next point. I'm also tired of lowering our country to the lowest common denominator, and imo forcing people who, for all practical purposes, look and are one gender to use the opposite gender's public restrooms absolutely ranks as an all-time nadir of reactionary stupidity in our country. For the last time the NC law has no enforcement provision, or punishment provisions for violation. So what purpose can it serve except to first isolate and then legally harass a specific minority of law-abiding Americans? Would you like to know how utterly shocked I was at seeing my first black person as a kid? It was in a public restroom, I thought he was a monster and ran out screaming. Are you saying our government should have "protected" me from that experience by forcing black people to use separate restrooms?

Edited August 29, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[kvnchrist]

 

If larger groups are ostensibly already protected, why are folks rights being violated by having some perv/pedo in the wrong restroom?

 

I don't recall reading anywhere you have a right to not be embarrassed. If you are male, use the men's room. That is what it is for.

 

I am seriously tired of society pandering to the least common denominator. If you are uncomfortable with the equipment you were born with, don't use a public restroom. There is zero reason to put everyone else in an uncomfortable position, because someone has delusions of being the other sex. We have become far to politically correct for our own good. I think the world will be a much better place when our society finally implodes on itself from such idiotic behavior.

 

Can you please reference where it's claimed that sexual perversion and pedophilia in public restrooms were legal in NC before this law? And if you can't, can you at least try and understand what I've already written in this discussion?

 

When you take a child into a public restroom, you risk exposing the kid to all sorts of probably new things, none of which are against the law. Including physical therapy and corrective surgery for transgenders and hermaphrodites. It's not our government's job to shield our kids from the facts of life, one of which is that people are sometimes forced by their delivering physicians and birth certificates into genders that are neither correct nor comfortable for them. They did nothing to deserve being targeted for legal harrassment, according to crime statistics they do nothing to deserve it. Your inference that transgenders equal pervs and pedos says absolutely nothing about transgenders, but lots about you.

 

Which leads to your next point. I'm also tired of lowering our country to the lowest common denominator, and imo forcing people who, for all practical purposes, look and are one gender to use the opposite gender's public restrooms absolutely ranks as an all-time nadir of reactionary stupidity in our country. For the last time the NC law has no enforcement provision, or punishment provisions for violation. So what purpose can it serve except to first isolate and then legally harass a specific minority of law-abiding Americans? Would you like to know how utterly shocked I was at seeing my first black person as a kid? It was in a public restroom, I thought he was a monster and ran out screaming. Are you saying our government should have "protected" me from that experience by forcing black people to use separate restrooms?

 

It is not harassing anyone. It's giving the public a respite from a political motivated measure from the government. There is no drive in the transgender community to enter these bathrooms. There wasn't before and there sure isn't now. The law is a reaction to something that was never an issue and remains so today. You are blaming the farmer for protecting the hen house when the fox wasn't even interested in entering the barnyard. You want to blame someone, blame the person who put the farmer to thinking he may have to protect anything. What has the fox to do with any of this? He was put into the spotlight for no reason of his own, without his permission and the situation doesn't benefit the fox at all. I should know. I am the fox!

 

 

If you want to advocate something, then advocate solutions that will have lasting satisfaction. This bathroom thing is a sideshow that has no legs because it doesn't serve any purpose other than political expedience.. I get so tired of people trying to fight the quote/unquote "Good Fight" instead of being effective and bring solutions to the table.

 

If you want to save lives, if you want to give the transgender community real and perminant peace of mind, advocate for the right for corrective surgery and hormone therapy. Advocate for guidence counclers that will work with the entire family, so they can understand and deal with a member of their family who is transgender. This will do Transgender people more good then goosestepping after stupid political stunt that is a flash in the pan issue that has already evaporated from the real world.

[Marxist ßastard]

It may be true that among non-passing trans people, there is "no drive" to use the bathrooms of their identified gender. I doubt that's the case. But I wouldn't really know, I guess.

 

The thing is, these laws that the radical right-wing are trying to shove down our throats? They also affect passing trans people, who have been using their identified genders' restrooms all along. And those people, I know, are pissed, and quite rightly so.

[Brutii]

 

I was going to write some kind of refutation to half of this because it paints a very dystopian picture of our society, even by my cynical standards. I really can't be bothered this late. So I'll simply say that our modern society is really very equal and its very hard to find anything that resembles legal inequality, barring a few professions that are only open to men due to purely physical reasons. Even socially it's really not that cut and dry; for example a man with 3 girlfriends would probably just be seen as a cheating bastard and would run the risk of being slapped by each girl if they figured out. If all three girls new and it was a polygamous relationship then it would probably just be seen as weird by everyone. Our culture holds the monogamy thing to be quite important. Sure, there are some sexists still just as there are some racists but in general our culture and society, at least where I live, just really isn't .

Historically, it really depends on which culture, which point in history etc. There have been some pretty damn equal societies out there. I don't mean to challenge you in the fact that there have been (an embarrassingly considerable number of) times when women have been given the short end of the stick, I just want to be fair to our forerunners. As it turns out, some of them were pretty great guys and girls and it's rather condescending of us to judge them all by the actions of some of them. Yes, there were cultures which were total dicks to their women but there were also cultures where this was not the case and some, such as Anglo Saxon England, were actually quite gender equal (Class distinction was much more important.) The major problem is that everybody loves to hate the past, I think its in part because we want to feel superior to our predecessors.

On to the actual point of the thread: As far as I care, whether you can go into a women's bathroom or whether the inverse is the case and women who have transitioned start waltzing into the men's bathroom is really not an issue. As long as nobody is sticking their head through the cubicle door or staring over the edge of the urinal I couldn't care any less. Go do your business somewhere and be done with it, why does it matter? It's a source of amusement to me that where people are going to dump their bodily wastes is seen as an issue by anyone.

Honestly, can the west just have a quick reality check and rally to deal with more pressing matters, like the countless starving people, the chilling number of children without any access to education, the staggering number of people who have to live without clean water, the many sweatshops all around the world, the slow destruction of our planets ecosystem, the ticking time bomb that is our world economy, the crazy terrorists and the civil wars? No? The bathroom issue is really so pressing? Okay then.

 

This sounds like a Long winded attempt at sneering at others.. Is that your intent?

Sneering? Not entirely (Though the final paragraph was snarky, the first paragraphs were really just me rambling about perceptions of the past. I ramble a lot whenever history is involved, I apologise for that.).

 

Lamenting is more on the mark. The entire issue has been one long winded joke. Who is using what bathrooms should be a lot further down on the list of "Issues that need addressing" than, say, the nearly 800 million people starting.

 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Edited August 29, 2016 by Brutii