Love

[Ghogiel]

 

@Ghogiel

Your post actually deserves a rational reply so I will attempt one. I think that the blind obeisance of a current 'theory' as proof of fact is erroneous, science and theories evolve, there is rarely a final view. Granted they are mapping the brain and might be able to pinpoint the exact centers of neural activity that is associated with emotion but that does not reduce love to a scientific experiment that can be endlessly reproduced in any lab. My contention is that love is a subjective emotional response that is unique to each individual and must be experienced to be truly understood. Now I dismissed in general the quasi scientific assertions of those that have not had the experience waxing on about something that is foreign to them, as if they had possession of the the ultimate truth to a question that has been a mystery since Adam and Eve.

Yeah sure. That I understand, It is a subjective emotional experience, that can be said. some may argue with that I suppose, and say it is brain hormonal response that is triggered by whatever. And that can also be the case. I don't think it is hard to understand that it can be both at the same time. Although while mutually beneficial understanding and experience don't always come hand in hand.

 

For example I have experienced love, and I don't really think I actually understand it. Something about being objective might make understanding in some sense, of my experience impossible. I certainly don't know enough about about the science to pose good questions that, from what I read, aren't immediately answered by it.

 

Now I don't think what you just said is what you were doing entirely. What you did was dismiss those of the scientific view of it, as a whole, not just the peoples opinion who haven't had any experience of it. That is my point of contention.

 

It is true that to be stubborn in the dogma of science when faced with new information is contrary to scientific enquiry itself. To employ scientific principles as a method of inquiry is not the same thing as believing what you think is the latest scientific up to date knowledge. And using that to investigate love, or any idea or subject might actually be an enlightening experience. Like art, science is a verb.

Edited August 24, 2011 by Ghogiel

[Aurielius]

Now I don't think what you just said is what you doing entirely. What you did was dismiss those of the scientific view of it, as a whole, not just the peoples opinion who haven't had any experience of it. That is my point of contention.

 

Then you will just have to accept my amended explanation or shoot me.. :whistling:

[Thandal]

I know feelings/thoughts are running strongly in this thread, but let's remember that is *is* the "Debates" forum. (So some people are going to deliberately stake out positions at extreme opposite ends from others.) Let's also remember that we can disagree without being disagreeable. Thx!

[marharth]

I would like to apologize to anyone who I was rude towards.

 

I was kind of a ass in the last few posts looking back at it o,o

Edited August 25, 2011 by marharth

[Lisnpuppy]

Well I have stayed out of this one but I can no longer tolerate it. So here is what I think, so listen up!

 

 

 

 

:tongue:

 

I love you guys.

[grannywils]

Yay, LP :dance: or, how about

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[Jopo1980]

Ok, so that´s why my topic of the same name got deleted, someone already had a topic about it.

 

Personally I have been in love ONCE ( don´t count my first girlfriend as being in love, more like lust), and I don´t intend to repeat the mistake.

 

Love that a parent feels for a child is good, but love between two adults is NOT necessarily good. I don´t like being attached to a person in ANY way, emotionally, fianacially, professionalyy or in any other way. I quite like being alone. I don´t have to put up with a nagging *censored* in my own house like countless other hapless men have to (and some of them even like having those "golden chains" in their fingers, called wedding rings)

 

Having little experience in REAL relationships, I am not really qualified to debate the issue, but I know what love is and I don´t like it. It ties a person to another and robs them of their individuality. Women will inevitably attempt and change their partner to something they like and men are expected to follow along as "women know best" when it comes to relationships. Personally I am NOT about to change any part of myself for any lady and I discourage other men from giving in to their girlfriends/wives demands.

[Dicecaster]

Ok, so that´s why my topic of the same name got deleted, someone already had a topic about it.

 

Personally I have been in love ONCE ( don´t count my first girlfriend as being in love, more like lust), and I don´t intend to repeat the mistake.

 

Love that a parent feels for a child is good, but love between two adults is NOT necessarily good. I don´t like being attached to a person in ANY way, emotionally, fianacially, professionalyy or in any other way. I quite like being alone. I don´t have to put up with a nagging *censored* in my own house like countless other hapless men have to (and some of them even like having those "golden chains" in their fingers, called wedding rings)

 

Having little experience in REAL relationships, I am not really qualified to debate the issue, but I know what love is and I don´t like it. It ties a person to another and robs them of their individuality. Women will inevitably attempt and change their partner to something they like and men are expected to follow along as "women know best" when it comes to relationships. Personally I am NOT about to change any part of myself for any lady and I discourage other men from giving in to their girlfriends/wives demands.

 

Of course they will. Men will, too. Two people living together on a long-term basis, no matter how similar, will try subtly (and usually sub-consciously) to change each other to better suit themselves. That's just a way of life.

 

If, however, you are talking about women who try to bend their partners to their own whims and desires, that is not always the case. Though I could use many examples, let me examine my own parents. Married happily for quite some time (I don't want to specify how long, mind you), they will still (for example) kiss passionately when they meet each other after a long day's work. Like any couple, they have fights, but even in these they always respect each other and are trying (however spiritedly) to reach an ideal conclusion. Though they may try to change each other's personal habits to better suit themselves, they also love each other's underlying traits, and would never think to change them.

 

Now, I'm sure the women you describe exist plentifully, but the ". . . and men are expected to follow along as 'women know best'" thing? Yeah, that is crap. I'm not at all surprised one wouldn't want to do that. "Expected to"?

 

In short, love needn't chain one person to another. Thank you, however, for telling us how it might manifest that way.

 

P.S. If that came across rude or pointed in any way, understand that that's not my intention at all and I just have a way of choosing poor words.

Edited December 7, 2011 by Dicecaster

[IndorilTheGreat]

Love; it feels good, man.

 

'Nuff said. :thumbsup: