draconix Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) I hope nobody minds if I post a few links here that I'd recommend people check out. This thread isn't a debate, just my attempt to give beginners some resources to help them out. I'll be adding more resources as I go, but for now, here are two (slightly cheesy) videos to help you spot logical fallacies: If you have some viewer-friendly resources you would like added to the original post, send me a link via pm, and I'll credit you in the topic.Ugh.. Primer, not primmer. :rolleyes: Edited August 19, 2011 by draconix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I hope nobody minds if I post a few links here that I'd recommend people check out. This thread isn't a debate, just my attempt to give beginners some resources to help them out. I'll be adding more resources as I go, but for now, here are two (slightly cheesy) videos to help you spot logical fallacies: If you have some viewer-friendly resources you would like added to the original post, send me a link via pm, and I'll credit you in the topic.Ugh.. Primer, not primmer. :rolleyes:Huh, sounds a lot like someone I know on here. Especially Ad Hominem :whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisnpuppy Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I appreciate those..really I do. But one should (as I have said before) realize most folks that post here see this more as a discussion/opinion panel than any kind of official, logical debate. Having done debating in school I know how its supposed to go...but sometimes one needs realize that your immovable object will be met with an equally opposable force. :biggrin: Not to say you shouldn't try...but I think you are going to be fighting a losing battle at times. Talking about the changes to renewable energies you can pull it all off...this logic. But talking about any topic which brings out strong emotions on folks around here....*shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I appreciate those..really I do. But one should (as I have said before) realize most folks that post here see this more as a discussion/opinion panel than any kind of official, logical debate. Having done debating in school I know how its supposed to go...but sometimes one needs realize that your immovable object will be met with an equally opposable force. :biggrin: Not to say you shouldn't try...but I think you are going to be fighting a losing battle at times. Talking about the changes to renewable energies you can pull it all off...this logic. But talking about any topic which brings out strong emotions on folks around here....*shrug*I guess it depends on the topic. When I post my opinions without facts, I get attacked for not having information. If I make posts with facts and logic, I get attacked for not realizing it is a opinion thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisnpuppy Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Sometimes you can't win...perhaps you should post both? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 (edited) 'When I post my opinions without facts, I get attacked for not having information. If I make posts with facts and logic, I get attacked for not realizing it is a opinion thread. " If you do not present your opinions as facts then you are on safer ground, present the facts then state your opinion of what you have drawn from the facts making a clear distinction between the two..then leave what is relevant to thread derailment to the moderators. This forum is more aptly named a discussion rather than a debating forum :whistling: Edited July 31, 2011 by Aurielius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannywils Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Might I also add the following: May I suggest that the simple fact that someone disagrees with you need not be construed as an "attack." If a request is made for you to provide proof of a statement or to present some sort of backup, that need not be construed as an "attack" either. Remember this is a forum wherein people debate, discuss, frequently disagree, etc., so to personalize the requests for proof, etc. as attacks will tend to leave one feeling somewhat bruised after awhile. Everyone has a different speaking and/or debating style. This may not necessarily be directed at you personally. Or in fact it may be directed back at your style. In any event, it is the subject matter in each case that is at issue, not you personally. So it is always best to just respond to the questions at hand and disregard the emotions caused by your perceptions of the possible reasoning behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconix Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 Just added the 3rd installment in the series. He this time talks about some very relevant fallacies that I've seen on this forum, such as "special pleading." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Just added the 3rd installment in the series. He this time talks about some very relevant fallacies that I've seen on this forum, such as "special pleading."I would say a lot of the things he mentioned are more relevant then that. One topic was full of special pleading, but I don't think its the most common on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconix Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) Yeah, I was mostly thinking of one topic in particular in which it had been an issue, but I think we get a pretty good range around here overall. Edited August 19, 2011 by draconix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts