Gamers are the worst kind of people.

[Halororor]

Yes, I would tend to agree, especially since I really like your Paradox Interactive example. The big problem is, cashcows like Ubisoft and EA aren't about to downscale any of their products to fit niche markets. In fact, as anyone can see, they try the exact opposite, to appeal to as broad a market as they can. The biggest problem we face is that the publishers are involved with the process and the customers. I think it would be much better for the entire gaming market if gaming publishers would become transparent, like book and movie publishers are, and only take a backseat in the process of getting the product to the consumer.

[Pyrosocial]

Bull$%!^.

 

There are many different reasons for why people game, it can range from a hundred specific reasons. Myself? I'm a senior in highschool, but I take online classes so my social life is non existant, so I pass time either working out, learning to cool, or deeply emmersing my self in video games. For me its a way to escape my life for a bit and pass the time untill graduation, and I can move out of my house and into a colllege dorm.

[Dan3345]

The effect of living by means of escapism over the long term has it's price. The angriest people are those that gave up the most to persist in the game environment, lost a lover, grew distant from family, dropped out of school and supplement those losses, yet becomes less and less effective over time making a boiling pot of disfunctional people all forced into the same room together. As a gamer I do not exclude myself from that either, but there is a dark side to everything if you want to drag it out into the street and shine a big light on it, the rest of the non gamer world is no better to one another or the companies that serve them. Look at all the frivolous law suites, how insanely unreasonable the people who get a pickle on their burger at mcdonalds are when they didn't want one, the item return line at best buy.. the backlash at sports icons when they prove themselves flawed human beings.

 

It's not just the gaming community who is feeling overly entitled these days, it's modern society and it's disconnect with one another, internet escalates it and empathy between us all is on a huge decline.

 

 

One reason I like these forums however, many of the posts here remind me of the internet community when I first started using it in early 2000's, before everyone was so jaded and angry. I have to agree with the article as for most part, tho I wish it were not true.

 

 

I completely agree with this and OP. Society today has become a mass of whining, ungrateful, entitled brats. We are so wrapped up in our instant gratification as well that when one tiny thing doesn't go our way we throw a temper tantrum. I am so sick of going on other forums (like gameFAQS for example) and going on the battlefield 3 boards, and seeing "What this game doesn't have (insert anything here), well thats just s***, c'mon gang lets not buy this."

 

Its absurd. I really hope we can change this, because otherwise this will only get worse.. I have a path I see down the line, but that's a discussion that belongs on another one of the boards here..

[Ghogiel]

IMO it's just mild sensationalist nonsense. Something that starts off with 'gamers are the worst kind of people' needs to be read with a pinch of salt. I can't take that persons opinion seriously, Guess they were never robbed and stabbed, beaten by police or abused as a child, or anything that actually might give a little perspective on what is actually important in life.

 

And I don't feel sorry for any studios, publishers, chairmen, whoever, and what they have to do to sweeten the costumers or what they have to deal with to succeed in this cut throat business. Not my problem. They need to sell to someone else if they themselves don't like gamers. lol really. And who is saying this anyway?

Edited August 18, 2011 by Ghogiel

[Halororor]

You missed the entire point of the post. :D Great job!

[Ghogiel]

Is the entire point about a complainer complaining about complainers complaining about games? Or complaining that people are giving away free games for fear of pissing off and alienating their core fanbase? or that developers are too soft and pander to annoying noobs who don't deserve to even have a game?

 

The entire point of the post is to say game companies the world over need to put a stop to their whining gamer customers. As if to say they should be somehow resentful of the people they are actually trying to sell a product to. I think everyone can be resentful of their customers or boss from time to time. It actually works out quite well in the games industry. I seem to have a completely opposite view of studios and publishers as the op does, as in they more often greedy *badword* and free games is something of a nice gesture, a rare but refreshing one.

 

Nintendo didn't sell a lot of 3ds. So they dropped the price sooner than they would have liked. And to reward their actual core customers they gave them some free games. And whiny gamers had what to do with that exactly? how did they entitle themselves to free games? the article is piecing things together in such an odd way, but it doesn't tie one thing to another. I'm inclined to assume people at Nintendo who called that shot did that for good reason that is ultimately beneficial to the company's pockets, there is no indication to think otherwise.

Edited August 18, 2011 by Ghogiel

[Halororor]

This is where you missed the point,

 

IMO it's just mild sensationalist nonsense.

 

It's an opinion column. Opinion columns can't really be sensationalist, because they're just that, opinions. :/

 

Also, you've further missed the point in your second reply.

 

The entire point of the post is to say game companies the world over need to put a stop to their whining gamer customers.

 

No, the point is that gaming companies should stop pandering to their customers' every single petty complaint. If something isn't to a customer's liking, he wants to rush off to start petitions and stuff. Constructive criticism is good, whining about absolutely everything isn't.

 

Nintendo didn't sell a lot of 3ds. So they dropped the price sooner than they would have liked. And to reward their actual core customers they gave them some free games. And whiny gamers had what to do with that exactly?

 

Some people were petty enough to whine because the games they got for free weren't the ones they wanted, even though Nintendo was in no way obligated to give them anything at all. That's what it's got to do with that.

[sendo75]

This is a sensationalized article with handpicked examples that stereotypes all gamers. A couple of good points are mashed up with much one sided opinions on the matter. Looking at the title of the thread itself shows how exaggerated this is, intentionally invoking strong responses.

 

The Nintendo case is not representative of all the customer frustration that has been going on. Game companies will take care of their interest before they worry about your complains if they even care. If you think all that whining will intimidate companies into foolishly giving in, you are mistaken.

 

Lastly I don't see anything wrong with customers venting their frustrations on online forums as long as there is no violence. Don't like to read it? then don't. Don't agree with it? then that's just unfortunate.

Edited August 18, 2011 by sendo75

[Ghogiel]

This is where you missed the point,

 

IMO it's just mild sensationalist nonsense.

 

It's an opinion column. Opinion columns can't really be sensationalist, because they're just that, opinions. :/

 

That's just wrong. :mellow:

 

 

No, the point is that gaming companies should stop pandering to their customers' every single petty complaint. If something isn't to a customer's liking, he wants to rush off to start petitions and stuff. Constructive criticism is good, whining about absolutely everything isn't.

See, the thing is, Most studios just don't operate like that. Where is there a case of a minority of whiny *censored* gamers that bully a studio into doing anything? Just doesn't happen. It certainly isn't a rampant occurrence. That editorial just sensationalises that idea.

 

Not listening to complaints about your product from your customers seems rather stupid. Anyone wants to start a petition, Good! It's a good thing to have people doing that about your product. It's free market research.

 

Some people were petty enough to whine because the games they got for free weren't the ones they wanted, even though Nintendo was in no way obligated to give them anything at all. That's what it's got to do with that.

Yeah some people are just dicks. It's kinda human nature. The big wigs at Nintendo are probably thinking the same, in addition to- better not piss them off too bad or they won't buy the Wii U at release.

 

personally I think anyone who forks out at release for premium price, with anything, has money enough that they don't need free games. But it looks great giving them away. I give mad props for Nintendo for that. The market didn't work out the way they speculated and they took their core fan base a showed decent appreciation for them being supporters of their company. If only that were representative of the games industry.

Edited August 18, 2011 by Ghogiel

[JimboUK]

Gamers are paying customers, when you hand over hard earned money you are "Entitled" to something of value in return.