Organic Foods

[draconix]

My point is, you say this statement as a matter of fact, and I am saying is you need to provide appropriate information to back that claim up.

 

No, this claim needs no backing, it's pretty much self-evident. If over the course of our lives we will receive a whopping total of one hundredth of a kilogram of growth hormone, the effects we will see will be negligible. If each "dose" we were to receive would be a few molecules of this stuff, our bodies won't even notice.

 

This is why studies are important though, without knowing the dose that we are getting in our food, and the effects of the hormone, then we can hardly make the claim that it's going to be the death of us, can we?

 

This is why Tuna doesn't kill us every time we eat it; the dose of mercury is so small that most of bodies won't even notice. Everything, in moderation, is perfectly healthy. Even cyanide.

[HeyYou]

My point is, you say this statement as a matter of fact, and I am saying is you need to provide appropriate information to back that claim up.

 

No, this claim needs no backing, it's pretty much self-evident. If over the course of our lives we will receive a whopping total of one hundredth of a kilogram of growth hormone, the effects we will see will be negligible. If each "dose" we were to receive would be a few molecules of this stuff, our bodies won't even notice.

 

This is why studies are important though, without knowing the dose that we are getting in our food, and the effects of the hormone, then we can hardly make the claim that it's going to be the death of us, can we?

 

This is why Tuna doesn't kill us every time we eat it; the dose of mercury is so small that most of bodies won't even notice. Everything, in moderation, is perfectly healthy. Even cyanide.

 

Yes it does. Some of the stuff they feed dairy cows, will cause CANCER in humans. That sounds "bad for me" as it gets. Sure, it may not kill you, but, will it make your life better, or worse? There are indeed worse things than being dead ya know.

[Balagor]

Whether growth hormones are dangerous or not, I don´t know. They are banned in EU untill further knowlegde has been accomplished. AND it is not what we are debating here. We are debating pros and cons on organic food.

I read the link from @draconix in post 8. I´ll only give one point to mr. "Skeptoid" here, and that is that the name "Organic" is badly chosen. Every where else in the world it is regarded to as "Ecological"

One very good advantedge around ecological growing is, the whole way of thinking.

Instead of being the usual greedy a33hole, who thinks of nothing but money and more money, and how can I expand, and/or improve my yield, and never mind the inviroment, you will start to think different when you grow ecological. Not that you walk around with a straw in the mouth, singing with the birds and speaking to the animals. No. You will learn to see that when you take care of nature, and don´t exhaust the soil, you will have a reacher micro life, birdlife and animal life. All factors that are helping you to keep down pests.

The main advanedge here is that the farmers get their eys opened and start to think for them selves.

I have seen the opposite so many times especially in southern parts of Europe, with soil all green of cobber chemicals, soil gone into single texture, thus loosing water and fertilizers.

All this will not happen when you follow the rule of the soil.

[Ghogiel]

 

No, this claim needs no backing, it's pretty much self-evident. If over the course of our lives we will receive a whopping total of one hundredth of a kilogram of growth hormone, the effects we will see will be negligible. If each "dose" we were to receive would be a few molecules of this stuff, our bodies won't even notice.

 

This is why studies are important though, without knowing the dose that we are getting in our food, and the effects of the hormone, then we can hardly make the claim that it's going to be the death of us, can we?

 

This is why Tuna doesn't kill us every time we eat it; the dose of mercury is so small that most of bodies won't even notice. Everything, in moderation, is perfectly healthy. Even cyanide.

You haven't even quantified this mystery microscopic dose of bovine growth hormone which is supposedly safe to consume... regularly over the course of your life time.

 

People still do develop health problems and serous diseases caused by lead and mercury. You know what the leading cause/source of mercury poisoning is? Eating fish.

[draconix]

The burden of proof is on you to show me that there is danger, not for me to prove that there is not. Dig somewhere, find some facts to support your claims that this stuff causes cancer in the doses that are commonly found in our food, and then I will listen. In the meantime, the FDA has approved these "chemicals" for use.

 

Cyanide is found in in spinach, and is safe to eat in moderation. The word for the day is DOSE.

Edited August 20, 2011 by draconix

[Ghogiel]

But you are making the claim, not I. You're being weird.

[draconix]

The only claim that I made is that nothing is harmful to our bodies if the dose is small enough. I have been asking this whole time if anybody knows how much there is, because that's what will determine if there is anything to argue about. I've also been asking for studies that show the supposed effects of said chemicals because I don't know what they are. The burden of proof is on the people making the claim that our food is unhealthy because of the growth hormone that can be found in it.

[Ghogiel]

That is why it is banned in EU, China, Japan, I think just about everywhere besides the US, There is insignificant data on the matter. I believe that assuming it is safe at the levels found in food is the point of contention here.

[draconix]

here are some findings that I've come across, the first of which is listing the amount of growth hormone in milk to be 1 part per billion, and "they are not believed to have biological significance when ingested, at least after the newborn period."

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK15180/

http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/ProductSafetyInformation/ucm130321.htm

 

the second article comes straight from the FDA and their findings, which is that the proteins taken orally are broken down in the digestive system, rather than being absorbed.

 

I'm not here to say that everything the FDA does and says is the gospel, but I would like to see some extensive studies that counter these findings, and shows that there might actually be cause for real concern here.

[sendo75]

I was curious about what draconix and ghogiel has been debating about so I read up briefly on Bioaccumulation, which explains the accumulation of harmful substances in trace amounts over time. What I read was enough to convince me that trace amounts should still be regarded cautiously. I won't be providing links since I can't justify the accuracy of these sources so you guys can do your research if you are motivated enough.

 

It is too complex to speculate a general safety level for any trace amount of these harmful substances. The amount varies, the consumption varies, the body system and how it handles the breakdown/excretion varies. But the harmful effects from a bioaccumulation of these substances are serious enough to be safer than sorry. No need to be paranoid about what you eat, but if it is something you eat often, it pays to be vigilant.