Why was Negative Endorsement removed?

[Teaguy]

Far too much rage in this topic over a trolling feature being removed.

It's actually rather surprising.

 

 

It wasn't liked, it was removed.

It's gone. It's currently playing domino's with other bytes in the void of a computer's recycle bin.

As funny as it is... there's less than a dozen people that want them back.

There's over 2 million users on the nexus.

Enough said.

 

So let me get this straight. Because it had the capacity to hurt your feelings, it was a "troll feature"? And you seem to be counting the people who dislike the change in this topic vs. ALL the members of the website. That's not very rational.

 

Yes, it was a troll feature. None of the options offered constructive criticism, being that you weren't forced to comment about it. If it doesn't fit into your own personal tastes? Well, thats great for you, move on to whatever you like. To just download it, wait three hours, and come back just to thumbs down is just being a troll if you don't say why, which, may I add, most people didn't.

 

I have nothing against the feature, since I've never had a negative endorsement, so "meh."

And how many of the positive feedback was constructive? I'm willing to bet most of it was "cool stuff kthxbai". Should we remove those too, then, if that's your arguement? Something doesn't add up here.

Lets just be honest here. You wanted that feature removed because of your hurt feelings.

[Deleted1848331User]

Far too much rage in this topic over a trolling feature being removed.

It's actually rather surprising.

 

 

It wasn't liked, it was removed.

It's gone. It's currently playing domino's with other bytes in the void of a computer's recycle bin.

As funny as it is... there's less than a dozen people that want them back.

There's over 2 million users on the nexus.

Enough said.

 

So let me get this straight. Because it had the capacity to hurt your feelings, it was a "troll feature"? And you seem to be counting the people who dislike the change in this topic vs. ALL the members of the website. That's not very rational.

 

Yes, it was a troll feature. None of the options offered constructive criticism, being that you weren't forced to comment about it. If it doesn't fit into your own personal tastes? Well, thats great for you, move on to whatever you like. To just download it, wait three hours, and come back just to thumbs down is just being a troll if you don't say why, which, may I add, most people didn't.

 

I have nothing against the feature, since I've never had a negative endorsement, so "meh."

And how many of the positive feedback was constructive? I'm willing to bet most of it was "cool stuff kthxbai". Should we remove those too, then, if that's your arguement? Something doesn't add up here.

Lets just be honest here. You wanted that feature removed because of your hurt feelings.

 

Positive feedback doesn't require a constructive response. It's just that; a pat on the back. If they so choose, they can give some constructive thoughts on the mod.

[Teaguy]

Far too much rage in this topic over a trolling feature being removed.

It's actually rather surprising.

 

 

It wasn't liked, it was removed.

It's gone. It's currently playing domino's with other bytes in the void of a computer's recycle bin.

As funny as it is... there's less than a dozen people that want them back.

There's over 2 million users on the nexus.

Enough said.

 

So let me get this straight. Because it had the capacity to hurt your feelings, it was a "troll feature"? And you seem to be counting the people who dislike the change in this topic vs. ALL the members of the website. That's not very rational.

 

Yes, it was a troll feature. None of the options offered constructive criticism, being that you weren't forced to comment about it. If it doesn't fit into your own personal tastes? Well, thats great for you, move on to whatever you like. To just download it, wait three hours, and come back just to thumbs down is just being a troll if you don't say why, which, may I add, most people didn't.

 

I have nothing against the feature, since I've never had a negative endorsement, so "meh."

And how many of the positive feedback was constructive? I'm willing to bet most of it was "cool stuff kthxbai". Should we remove those too, then, if that's your arguement? Something doesn't add up here.

Lets just be honest here. You wanted that feature removed because of your hurt feelings.

 

Positive feedback doesn't require a constructive response. It's just that; a pat on the back. If they so choose, they can give some constructive thoughts on the mod.

Why so? Seems kind of unfair.

Unconstructive praise can also do damage. Like, for example, deluding the contributors into thinking their work is perfect when in reality it has some noticeable flaws.

[Sagebeat]

"Positive feedback doesn't require a constructive response. It's just that; a pat on the back. If they so choose, they can give some constructive thoughts on the mod."

 

 

Then why cant a negative just be a frown? Why the double standard?

Edited August 26, 2011 by Sagebeat

[McclaudEagle]

In my opinion, this is what should have happened...

 

• All downrates must be provided with an answer, otherwise it won't be added
  
• Unlike the old Nexus, only technical options should be available, not ones like "It doesn't suit my taste" because that's based on opinion.
  
• The users who gave the downrates should not be anonymous (if they weren't already)
  
• Downrates show automatically link to the reason in the Comments Section.
  

 

I was actually against the removal of the downrates even as a modder. The biggest reason is that you could gain a general idea on what problems might come with the mod. Now, however, you will end up with mods with 200+ comments, and you'd have to manually search through it all just to find any problems people are having with the mod.

 

What people don't seem to realize is that the Comments Section will still get abused anyway, so removing the downrates was actually pointless in the first place. At least with the downrates, people could see that "meshes are missing", that's a hell of a lot better than having to scroll through 30+ pages to find any problems with the mod.

[Gopher]

I disagree with you about as vehemently as I am able. I think your attitude an unfortunate one. It states that, because I do not upload mods on to this site, I am a worthless peasant unfit for any scraps you deign, in your benevolence, to leave me, and that I should be thankful for every bit of effluence that trickles down to my lips, no matter how vile it may be. I exaggerate, of course, but you seem to imply that all mods are, by their very nature, good, and that no criticism is valid. You wish to insulate the mod-maker from criticism completely. Yes, you may well get some frivolous down-votes. Yes, some people may even use the system to troll. But it should be easy for you to disregard frivolous down-voters and trolls, and I feel that, even with the flaws inherent in the design, it is a worthy one because it alerts the casual browser that not all may be well, and it alerts the mod-maker that there may be something flawed with his creation.

 

Why do you mod, if not out of love? For the game itself, for the joy of creation? As you mention, you make no money from this. Yet you choose to use your time in modding, and then to upload your creation to share it with the world. And if you mod from love, wouldn't it be ideal to strive ever closer to perfection, to ferret out any flaws and remove them? Criticism is necessary in all endeavors, unpleasant as it is. It is a bitter drink, there's no denying that. But to remove criticism promote complacence and encourages mediocrity.

 

Allowing people to critisize a mod is ok as long as you allow that mod author to refuse to supply that person with any further content. If the mod was that bad to start with , then the person doing the thumbs down should consider this a blessing of sorts. And I am sorry but to date not one single thumb down on any of my mods has been even slightly helpful. Not one. And I follow every single one of them up with a private message to find out what the problem is.

 

So fine, let people thumb down a mod of mine. But then let me blacklist them from my pages. Then everyone is happy :)

[Sagebeat]

Just to understand your mindset, would you ban him from ALL your mods if he only thought one was bad? If so, what is the reasoning?

[Teaguy]

And what if he downvoted your mod saying that it has potential but doesn't work because of one critical error that pops up on quite rare occassions? Will he get banned from your mod and all of your future mods?

[Sagebeat]

And what if he downvoted your mod saying that it has potential but doesn't work because of one critical error that pops up on quite rare occassions? Will he get banned from your mod and all of your future mods?

 

To be fair, a rate down would be almost unwarranted in this particular situation. In a perfect world where downrates are attached to comments and moderated, it would be removed. Downrating a beta because it crashes and is buggy isn't acceptable.

 

Downrating a mod because it's a finished product and causes characters to occasionally blank states, or corrupt a save? That is downrate material.

[Gopher]

"Positive feedback doesn't require a constructive response. It's just that; a pat on the back. If they so choose, they can give some constructive thoughts on the mod."

 

 

Then why cant a negative just be a frown? Why the double standard?

 

For the same reason telling someone their kid is adorable is a minor compliment that is quickly forgotten and telling someone their kid is ugly is a major insult that may end with bloodshed. Or the same reason telling your girlfriend she looks great will get you a quick smile and maybe some attention for a few hours, but telling her she is ugly will end it forever. There is a double standard because the two are not equal.