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Are we complete at birth or are we made


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First of all, this is not a thread about the rightness or wrongness of a lifestyle, but at what time those who find themselves enjoying the comfort of the same sex. Is this something, as some suggest, is a choice or is it predetermined from birth.

 

 

Are we complete as a person, when we are born or do our environment and experiences alter our makeup in a substantial way? If the former is true and we try to subdue these tendencies, are we not denying our own existence? If the latter is true, then are we truly a separate being, distinct and individual, or are we just a product of chance, without any meaning, other than our own existence.

 

 

I ask this because of a debate I heard a few months ago, where the question was, and Wither gay people were born or created. I’m not gay, but I have a belly button. I haven’t heard of any gay person not having one. Since there is only one way to obtain one, the answer to the question was fairly obvious to me. We are all born, and according to those who I’ve spoken to, about this. We all have similar experiences when it comes to what our intimate attractions are.

 

 

I’ve also heard about studies on brain activity, that supposedly show similarities in gay and transgender people. If this is the case, are they one and the same?

 

 

Also are there truly bisexual people? My question comes from an instance where a gay friend of mine got her heart broken by a so-called bi-girl. Are bisexual people opportunists or are they just undecided? What leads me to ask this is the ideal of priorities. Are they attracted to both genders or is it that they have not met a person they are attracted to enough to end their switching sexes.

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It is known fact that our DNA does not control our entire lives. Certain things are decided by genetic makeup, but the entirety of our lives is not controlled.

 

I still fail to understand how anyone can say being gay is a preference. Hate to break it to you, but if you think that its a preference to have sex with a man or a women, you are bisexual.

 

And obviously bisexuals exist, we have a few people who are bisexual on the forum to my knowledge.

 

Being gay and being transgender are also obviously not the same.

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As broad as can be, I think the current consensus is that genetic predisposition is a lesser factor to environmental ones. So in many respects we are made, or rather develop into more complex beings through experiencing life not from our genes.

 

I've not a clue about brain studies on sexual preference saying gay and trans people are the same. Sounds kinda sus to me.

 

Apparently there are bisexual people. If that is a rough category that fits their sexual prefs, then yeah. There is a whole thread about bisexuals being labelled opportunists not long back, it'll all come back to them, as a whole, being unfairly treated as untrustworthy partners. My opinion on why a bisexual might not be a desired partner for a homosexual or heterosexual, basically because they claim to have sexual pref/ desires not in total harmony with either group, therefore making it a less desirable attribute to have in a partner. They are probably have a right to think that they have it hard up in the relationship area.

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  On 9/12/2011 at 9:23 PM, marharth said:

If you lock someone in a room their entire life and give them basic needs without any kind of experience or education, they will be no different then a Neanderthal.

What about the opposite, we brought up a Neanderthal in a modern society, would they still be a Neanderthal?

 

In your case, the person would be feral.. but not necessarily a Neanderthal as in the species.

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Firstly, being gay, bisexual/pansexual, transgender or asexual isn't a "lifestyle". I highly doubt anybody would choose to be outside of the heterosexual and cisgender norm, knowing that zie would probably be socially banished for most of zir life.

 

As for the question of "do bisexuals exist?" the answer happens to be yes. However, bisexual people can and do have preferences for certain genders--the current model for sexual orientation is the Kinsey Scale, where somebody could be totally heterosexual, mostly heterosexual, totally bisexual, mostly homosexual or totally homosexual, for example. You don't have to be equally attracted to all genders to be pansexual, or equally attracted to men and women to be bisexual. You could prefer men, women or androgynous people, and then there's all the preferences for body type, hair colour, and so on. Bisexuals are also not magically likely to be cheaters--if your partner had dark hair, and you like blondes and brunettes, you wouldn't cheat on zir with a blonde, because that would be wrong. Saying that all bisexuals are cheaters is like saying that all white people are snobs, it's flat-out wrong.

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  On 9/12/2011 at 9:04 PM, marharth said:

I still fail to understand how anyone can say being gay is a preference. Hate to break it to you, but if you think that its a preference to have sex with a man or a women, you are bisexual.

 

I know it isn't a preference, but that word has become the political correct reference to the lifestyle. Usually by those who aren't apart of it. Personally, I would like to separate those who have a problem with gays and those self-proclaimed vigilante-activists who think they speak for gays, away from the rest of us. It seems the problems arise, when these two groups get into a chest pounding exercise. I think the rest of society would do very well, without the extremist ranters waving their flags.

 

 

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And obviously bisexuals exist, we have a few people who are bisexual on the forum to my knowledge.

 

Please read my full statement. I was getting at the reliability level of these people. Do they care about those they are intimate with? These people effect those they are intimate with. As everyone knows, sex changes everything in a relationship.

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Being gay and being transgender are also obviously not the same.

 

 

My friend, Please refrain from using the word obvious. Others see in way, very different from you. I was speaking of sexuality.

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Bisexuality and pansexuality do not mean "will have sex with anything that moves."

 

What these terms mean is that the person who is bisexual or pansexual can be attracted to people of more than one gender, and yes, they do often have preferences. Not all bisexuals are equally attracted to men and women, and not all pansexuals are equally attracted to people of all genders. People, generally speaking, have standards. Are all straight men and lesbians attracted to all women not related to them? Nope. Are all straight women and gay men attracted to all men not related to them? Also nope. Bisexuals and pansexuals are pretty much the same as people who are monosexual (that means attracted to one gender) in that they have preferences for certain qualities too.

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  On 9/12/2011 at 9:59 PM, kvnchrist said:

I know it isn't a preference, but that word has become the political correct reference to the lifestyle. Usually by those who aren't apart of it. Personally, I would like to separate those who have a problem with gays and those self-proclaimed vigilante-activists whto think they speak for gays, away from the rest of us. It seems the problems arise, when these two groups get into a chest pounding exercise. I think the res of society would do very well, without the extremist ranters waving their flags.

 

Please read my full statement. I was getting at the reliability level of these people. Do they care about those they are intimate with? These people effect those they are intimate with. As everyone knows, sex changes everything in a relationship.

 

1. Extremist ranters? Who is a extremist ranter? I know people who oppose gays may be considered extreme, but who is extreme on the other side of things?

 

2. Why would it be any different? I still don't get this logic, which is why I replied to you as I did. If your bisexual you won't cheat on anyone due to being bisexual.

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