Are we complete at birth or are we made

[kvnchrist]

 

 

 

 

1. Extremist ranters? Who is a extremist ranter? I know people who oppose gays may be considered extreme, but who is extreme on the other side of things?

 

What I am referring to are those who feed the haters. They are like the vigilantes that the staff here often speak of, here. These are the one's that resort to the same tactics as those on the right and essentially fan the flames,

[marharth]

 

 

 

 

1. Extremist ranters? Who is a extremist ranter? I know people who oppose gays may be considered extreme, but who is extreme on the other side of things?

 

What I am referring to are those who feed the haters. They are like the vigilantes that the staff here often speak of, here. These are the one's that resort to the same tactics as those on the right and essentially fan the flames,

Like who? I really don't get why it is a problem to speak up for someones rights.

[HeyYou]

We are most certainly not complete at birth. The way your are raised, and the experiences you have as you grow, shape you into the person you are to become. One could even argue, that you are never really finished growing.

 

That said, sexual orientation may have some genetic factor involved, but, from where I am sitting, the person in question also plays a role in the decision. If it were otherwise, then why would we have folks that claimed they were gay for years, suddenly decide to be hetero?

[marharth]

the person in question also plays a role in the decision. If it were otherwise, then why would we have folks that claimed they were gay for years, suddenly decide to be hetero?

Society accepts straight people more. No one was ever gay then decided to be hetro. Unless they were bi and starting focusing on the opposite sex.

 

They probably just said they were straight to be more accepted.

 

If your gay, your can't get "ungay."

 

If your straight, you can't turn gay. It is not a virus of a lifestyle choice.

[DeadMansFist849]

We are most certainly not complete at birth. The way your are raised, and the experiences you have as you grow, shape you into the person you are to become. One could even argue, that you are never really finished growing.

 

That said, sexual orientation may have some genetic factor involved, but, from where I am sitting, the person in question also plays a role in the decision. If it were otherwise, then why would we have folks that claimed they were gay for years, suddenly decide to be hetero?

 

Without going into too much detail, some people may be afraid to come out as bisexual, and then claim to be either gay or straight just so people don't call them disgusting and/or cheaters. Then, there are people who are pressured into pretending to be straight--that's the gist of the "ex-gay" movement, basically--and those people do end up miserable at the end of the day.

[kvnchrist]

 

 

 

 

1. Extremist ranters? Who is a extremist ranter? I know people who oppose gays may be considered extreme, but who is extreme on the other side of things?

 

What I am referring to are those who feed the haters. They are like the vigilantes that the staff here often speak of, here. These are the one's that resort to the same tactics as those on the right and essentially fan the flames,

Like who? I really don't get why it is a problem to speak up for someones rights.

 

It is a problem if these people cause problems for those they claim to speak for. An example of these are politicians that claim to quote/unquote feel their pain, but are only interested in their vote. If we were talking about race, I would point at the race baters that run around the nation, looking for anything they could turn into a racial situation.

[marharth]

 

 

 

 

1. Extremist ranters? Who is a extremist ranter? I know people who oppose gays may be considered extreme, but who is extreme on the other side of things?

 

What I am referring to are those who feed the haters. They are like the vigilantes that the staff here often speak of, here. These are the one's that resort to the same tactics as those on the right and essentially fan the flames,

Like who? I really don't get why it is a problem to speak up for someones rights.

 

It is a problem if these people cause problems for those they claim to speak for. An example of these are politicians that claim to quote/unquote feel their pain, but are only interested in their vote. If we were talking about race, I would point at the race baters that run around the nation, looking for anything they could turn into a racial situation.

But we are not talking about race.

 

If a politician says to support someone, and does it for a vote, but still tries to get legislation out to help them, that is not a problem.

[HeyYou]

the person in question also plays a role in the decision. If it were otherwise, then why would we have folks that claimed they were gay for years, suddenly decide to be hetero?

Society accepts straight people more. No one was ever gay then decided to be hetro. Unless they were bi and starting focusing on the opposite sex.

 

They probably just said they were straight to be more accepted.

 

If your gay, your can't get "ungay."

 

If your straight, you can't turn gay. It is not a virus of a lifestyle choice.

 

I disagree. There is no evidence to support your statements. I have known men that were straight, and after a bad experience with women, decided to be gay. I have also known both men and women, that were gay/lesbian, and then DECIDED to be straight. There IS choice involved. It isn't hard coded that one person is gay, while some other person is hetero. (which is one of the major arguments AGAINST gay marriage. It doesn't technically meet the criterion for 'discrimination'.)

 

That said, I think the whole 'gay marriage' thing is blown WAY out of proportion. Don't call it "marriage", call it "civil union", let them have the same benefits as a 'normal' married couple, and call it good.

[marharth]

I disagree. There is no evidence to support your statements. I have known men that were straight, and after a bad experience with women, decided to be gay. I have also known both men and women, that were gay/lesbian, and then DECIDED to be straight. There IS choice involved. It isn't hard coded that one person is gay, while some other person is hetero. (which is one of the major arguments AGAINST gay marriage. It doesn't technically meet the criterion for 'discrimination'.)

 

That said, I think the whole 'gay marriage' thing is blown WAY out of proportion. Don't call it "marriage", call it "civil union", let them have the same benefits as a 'normal' married couple, and call it good.

Your saying if any straight man wanted to, they could just decide to switch to men?

 

You are not straight if the above is true, you would be bisexual.

 

Why not call it marriage? They should get the exact same benefits, and calling it a different name is just a form of discrimination.

[HeyYou]

I disagree. There is no evidence to support your statements. I have known men that were straight, and after a bad experience with women, decided to be gay. I have also known both men and women, that were gay/lesbian, and then DECIDED to be straight. There IS choice involved. It isn't hard coded that one person is gay, while some other person is hetero. (which is one of the major arguments AGAINST gay marriage. It doesn't technically meet the criterion for 'discrimination'.)

 

That said, I think the whole 'gay marriage' thing is blown WAY out of proportion. Don't call it "marriage", call it "civil union", let them have the same benefits as a 'normal' married couple, and call it good.

Your saying if any straight man wanted to, they could just decide to switch to men?

 

You are not straight if the above is true, you would be bisexual.

 

Why not call it marriage? They should get the exact same benefits, and calling it a different name is just a form of discrimination.

And once again, your supposition has no supporting evidence, nor any basis in fact. The whole situation is all based on various folks perceptions. That's it. There isn't any conclusive evidence one way or the other.

 

 

Because calling it marriage is what a great deal of the hullaballoo is about. Don't call it 'marriage', because, technically, it doesn't fit with the definition that is currently accepted......