Universal Healthcare

[Balagor]

Here in DK we have had UHC for generations, maintained by gouvernment.

 

1. I feel that the quality is of a very high standard. I have what I need, emergency, treatments, child examinations, etc etc

Would it be better if it was paied by my insurance company? I don´t know. But I know how much my insurance company whines when they have to pay just a little scratch in my car,

 

2. About the options, I think I allready mentioned that above. Like I mentioned with the insurance, I think I agree with @ghogiel that they will allways only cover what they are due. In a UHC system you will be treated for all that the doctor finds on you (at least here in DK).

 

3. Oh yes. UHC is financed by tax, and is our largest post on the budget. There is no way that anybody like smokers, drug users, overweight people are denied treatment. It is in the law that everybody has the right for treatment, no matter how they got ill. But like @jim_uk says smokers pay a high price on the cigarettes/tobacco, and our newly elected gouvernment will introduce a "fat tax". So yes UHC is basis for a political tool.

[stars2heaven]

Here in DK we have had UHC for generations, maintained by gouvernment.

 

1. I feel that the quality is of a very high standard. I have what I need, emergency, treatments, child examinations, etc etc

Would it be better if it was paied by my insurance company? I don´t know. But I know how much my insurance company whines when they have to pay just a little scratch in my car,

 

2. About the options, I think I allready mentioned that above. Like I mentioned with the insurance, I think I agree with @ghogiel that they will allways only cover what they are due. In a UHC system you will be treated for all that the doctor finds on you (at least here in DK).

 

3. Oh yes. UHC is financed by tax, and is our largest post on the budget. There is no way that anybody like smokers, drug users, overweight people are denied treatment. It is in the law that everybody has the right for treatment, no matter how they got ill. But like @jim_uk says smokers pay a high price on the cigarettes/tobacco, and our newly elected gouvernment will introduce a "fat tax". So yes UHC is basis for a political tool.

 

I like some of what you said here. Some people have a big problem with UHC because they don't want to have to pay for people who got themselves sick. Increasing taxes even further on things like tobacco in order to pay for those unnecessary and additional costs to the health care system could be a way to compromise on that issue.

Edited September 16, 2011 by stars2heaven

[Balagor]

Here in DK we have had UHC for generations, maintained by gouvernment.

 

1. I feel that the quality is of a very high standard. I have what I need, emergency, treatments, child examinations, etc etc

Would it be better if it was paied by my insurance company? I don´t know. But I know how much my insurance company whines when they have to pay just a little scratch in my car,

 

2. About the options, I think I allready mentioned that above. Like I mentioned with the insurance, I think I agree with @ghogiel that they will allways only cover what they are due. In a UHC system you will be treated for all that the doctor finds on you (at least here in DK).

 

3. Oh yes. UHC is financed by tax, and is our largest post on the budget. There is no way that anybody like smokers, drug users, overweight people are denied treatment. It is in the law that everybody has the right for treatment, no matter how they got ill. But like @jim_uk says smokers pay a high price on the cigarettes/tobacco, and our newly elected gouvernment will introduce a "fat tax". So yes UHC is basis for a political tool.

 

I like some of what you said here. Some people have a big problem with UHC because they don't want to have to pay for people who got themselves sick. Increasing taxes even further on things like tobacco in order to pay for those unnecessary and additional costs to the health care system could be a way to compromise on that issue.

 

Sure, I agree. And we can take it further. I am a smoker myself, and I am not being sarcastic now, I am serious. When some people tell me I am a burden to our UHC system, I tell them that it is quite on the contrary. People like me who smokes, or others, who by some way or another get to live a shorter life, will not get our pension, will not burden the UHC system with illnesses that old people get, and while we were at life, we payed a lot more tax.

This is one of the major debates we have here in DK at the moment, showing that UHC will be a subject to political mudthrowing and taxpayer justice.

[Utyran]

That is so VERY true.

No thats a damn lie, you sir, are liars and i'am getting sick of that. It makes me sick, its a infectious mental disease. Its a Tax, Its a Tax, Its a Tax, Its a Tax. Its THIEFERY !!! Get that mamas boys? Their is no good king and distributor which takes care of you. And i don't wanna care and pay bills for people which are snowboarding, smoking or endangering their healt in other way, and think that i would pay for sideeffects. So get off my property!

 

 

Edited September 16, 2011 by Utyran

[HeyYou]

That is so VERY true.

No thats a damn lie, you sir, are liars and i'am getting sick of that. It makes me sick, its a infectious mental disease. Its a Tax, Its a Tax, Its a Tax, Its a Tax. Its THIEFERY !!! Get that mamas boys? Their is no good king and distributor which takes care of you. And i don't wanna care and pay bills for people which are snowboarding, smoking or endangering their healt in other way, and think that i would pay for sideeffects. So get off my property!

 

 

 

LOLOLOLOL.

 

Liars? Mama's boys? I suggest that you take a look at where your tax dollars are going then. You are building schools in foreign countries, you are buying weapons for Israel, and, at one time, Egypt. I would bet that more of your tax dollars goes to help folks OUTSIDE the united states, than those inside. But, you don't seem to have a problem with that.

[marharth]

Maybe people don't know what a Ponzi Scheme is, but it is more then returning money to investors. Edited September 16, 2011 by marharth

[stars2heaven]

That is so VERY true.

No thats a damn lie, you sir, are liars and i'am getting sick of that. It makes me sick, its a infectious mental disease. Its a Tax, Its a Tax, Its a Tax, Its a Tax. Its THIEFERY !!! Get that mamas boys? Their is no good king and distributor which takes care of you. And i don't wanna care and pay bills for people which are snowboarding, smoking or endangering their healt in other way, and think that i would pay for sideeffects. So get off my property!

 

 

 

A lie? Seriously? I don't suppose that you know that a lie is defined as an attempt to be intentionally misleading. I think that it's pretty obvious that the people you are talking about aren't doing that. Also, who cares if it's a tax? If someone wants a social service like public school, police, fire service, or UHC it has to be payed for. The way you do that is through taxation. I don't see how it would be considered theft either, since you are paying for a service.

 

Your final point about not wanting to pay for people who put their own health in jeopardy has been addressed. For one, those sorts of people could be left out of the system, have to pay higher taxes, or any number of other things to address that problem. Aside from that one would assume that they don't get to live as long as others who would inevitably suffer from the diseases of old age, so they save the system from those sorts of burdens.

[kvnchrist]

That is so VERY true.

No thats a damn lie, you sir, are liars and i'am getting sick of that. It makes me sick, its a infectious mental disease. Its a Tax, Its a Tax, Its a Tax, Its a Tax. Its THIEFERY !!! Get that mamas boys? Their is no good king and distributor which takes care of you. And i don't wanna care and pay bills for people which are snowboarding, smoking or endangering their healt in other way, and think that i would pay for sideeffects. So get off my property!

 

 

 

 

Excuse me. This thread is about the experiences of those that live under a universal health care system, already. Bickering about what you want or don't want to pay for is absurd, since as soon as you send your money to any form of government, you loose all control over that money. We are all just middlemen, anyway. On payday, the only things that actually get paid are the bills. The only thing we do is act like a distribution center for those that supply us with the services we require.

[Utyran]

kvnchrist

Excuse me. This thread is about the experiences of those that live under a universal health care system, already.

No i don't excuse because you don't need a convictet murder to describe how serial killers work.

I, as a german, do live under such a system. And it sucks. As a private patient, i pay even twice. Once for the crap i don't want, secoundly for medicare i could need some day. And than, the media subject to public law, even complaining about the universal goverment medicare, because private medicare patients would be better treated than the flat fare patients. Germans are notoriously socialistic because most of them couldn't take care for their own ass. I wouldn't complain if i would quit this system and just take care of my own bussiness, but i couldn't.

 

The only thing we do is act like a distribution center for those that supply us with the services we require.

Maybee you are just a consumer which dosn't produce anything. But i'am in carge of my own life and fate and such comparisons are so out of the field...

 

stars2heaven

Also, who cares if it's a tax?

Those who pay you moron! Have you ever worked one day in your life?!

 

If someone wants a social service like public school

I don't want that sh**, the school system is a mess! I will never send my children to a public school in this country. Never ever in my life. Its a nest filled with vipers, slavetraders and lies.

 

police,

They are corrupt thungs because they have nothing to fear anymore from the citizen. Three months ago, a policemean threatened me he would crush my nose after i told him and his buddy i wouldn't show them my ID-Card (also wonderfull thing) because iam in hurry and got bussiness to do. They have not enough balls to do something against the real criminals but threat the "middlemen". Iam through with them, they decided which side they stand on.

 

fire service,

Most district have their own voluntary firefighters. Thats a convenience because citizens could do also productive work and can finance themself.

 

UHC

I said it before, i don't want that smile. Why i should "buy" a medicare which i can not choose the kind of treatment. They give me what they think its the best. And when goverment thinks its good, its most of the time the worst for the citizen. The pharma industrial complex looooves UHC. Its like... like a labor rat experiment for them. The pharmacutials arent tested before they enter the market, the market is the test. And as a UHC "Patient" Labor rat, you are force to take that crap because they dont give you anything else. Get that? UHC is crap. I took a private insurance because it sucks so much.

 

 

Guys, please, this isn't a game. You play russian roulett with your future and those of your children. You steal the freedom of choice from many other generations.

 

For one, those sorts of people could be left out of the system, have to pay higher taxes, or any number of other things to address that problem.

They took a giant tax on tobaco and it just let the smuggeling grow. By the way, your proposal is another tyranical step to take more controll and than even kick people out by random. And how do you get informed as the UHC Company if some of the "customers"(They aren't realy customers) smokes? Spy on him?

 

Aside from that one would assume that they don't get to live as long as others who would inevitably suffer from the diseases of old age, so they save the system from those sorts of burdens.

Belive it or not, they createt a term for that in german: Sozialvertraegliches Fruehableben.(socially acceptable perish) The president of the Medical Chamber createt that in 1998. This isn't about helping people, or what the socialists claim, this is about getting in controll about wealth and health of the population. This is sick garbage and i wouldn't take that anymore. Liars, thieves, murderers.

 

Hospitals and clinics are crowded because the people ran to the doctor for every crap. They spread meds like freaking candy and the costs rising sky high! They even introduced a admission for the clinics! They just grab and grab and the services get lower because doctors are overallocated and making misstakes and than people dieing! 17.000 People died last year by mistakes made by doctors. The Berliner Courier titeld "As UHC Patient you are the last moron". So what else you wanna hear? UHC is crap and you should learn how to care for your own.

 

 

Ratchet the tone down. You've been given one strike for personal attack. -myrmaad

[HeyYou]

kvnchrist

Excuse me. This thread is about the experiences of those that live under a universal health care system, already.

No i don't excuse because you don't need a convictet murder to describe how serial killers work.

I, as a german, do live under such a system. And it sucks. As a private patient, i pay even twice. Once for the crap i don't want, secoundly for medicare i could need some day. And than, the media subject to public law, even complaining about the universal goverment medicare, because private medicare patients would be better treated than the flat fare patients. Germans are notoriously socialistic because most of them couldn't take care for their own ass. I wouldn't complain if i would quit this system and just take care of my own bussiness, but i couldn't.

 

The only thing we do is act like a distribution center for those that supply us with the services we require.

Maybee you are just a consumer which dosn't produce anything. But i'am in carge of my own life and fate and such comparisons are so out of the field...

 

stars2heaven

Also, who cares if it's a tax?

Those who pay you moron! Have you ever worked one day in your life?!

 

If someone wants a social service like public school

I don't want that sh**, the school system is a mess! I will never send my children to a public school in this country. Never ever in my life. Its a nest filled with vipers, slavetraders and lies.

 

police,

They are corrupt thungs because they have nothing to fear anymore from the citizen. Three months ago, a policemean threatened me he would crush my nose after i told him and his buddy i wouldn't show them my ID-Card (also wonderfull thing) because iam in hurry and got bussiness to do. They have not enough balls to do something against the real criminals but threat the "middlemen". Iam through with them, they decided which side they stand on.

 

fire service,

Most district have their own voluntary firefighters. Thats a convenience because citizens could do also productive work and can finance themself.

 

UHC

I said it before, i don't want that smile. Why i should "buy" a medicare which i can not choose the kind of treatment. They give me what they think its the best. And when goverment thinks its good, its most of the time the worst for the citizen. The pharma industrial complex looooves UHC. Its like... like a labor rat experiment for them. The pharmacutials arent tested before they enter the market, the market is the test. And as a UHC "Patient" Labor rat, you are force to take that crap because they dont give you anything else. Get that? UHC is crap. I took a private insurance because it sucks so much.

 

 

Guys, please, this isn't a game. You play russian roulett with your future and those of your children. You steal the freedom of choice from many other generations.

 

For one, those sorts of people could be left out of the system, have to pay higher taxes, or any number of other things to address that problem.

They took a giant tax on tobaco and it just let the smuggeling grow. By the way, your proposal is another tyranical step to take more controll and than even kick people out by random. And how do you get informed as the UHC Company if some of the "customers"(They aren't realy customers) smokes? Spy on him?

 

Aside from that one would assume that they don't get to live as long as others who would inevitably suffer from the diseases of old age, so they save the system from those sorts of burdens.

Belive it or not, they createt a term for that in german: Sozialvertraegliches Fruehableben.(socially acceptable perish) The president of the Medical Chamber createt that in 1998. This isn't about helping people, or what the socialists claim, this is about getting in controll about wealth and health of the population. This is sick garbage and i wouldn't take that anymore. Liars, thieves, murderers.

 

Hospitals and clinics are crowded because the people ran to the doctor for every crap. They spread meds like freaking candy and the costs rising sky high! They even introduced a admission for the clinics! They just grab and grab and the services get lower because doctors are overallocated and making misstakes and than people dieing! 17.000 People died last year by mistakes made by doctors. The Berliner Courier titeld "As UHC Patient you are the last moron". So what else you wanna hear? UHC is crap and you should learn how to care for your own.

 

You are free to express your views here, but, please leave off with the personal attacks, and insults. That is a violation of the forum rules. And yes, they DO apply to you, and yes, you DO have to follow them.

 

That said: Move to a different country. Preferably one with no government, no taxation, and no public services. I think Somalia would fit the bill nicely, don't you?