marharth Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Your not in the place to dismiss others arguments. If you did not ignore everyone you strongly disagreed with you would have noticed a more detailed report in my links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Case dismissed, as in there isn't enough to even arrest the guy, let alone drag him off to be tried (guy being Bush btw). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Case dismissed, as in there isn't enough to even arrest the guy, let alone drag him off to be tried (guy being Bush btw).And he is not in the position to dismiss the case. I have posted quite a bit to show that he was tortured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 And he's provided sufficient counter-examples, even from your own links, to demonstrate that Canada does not believe he was. Therefore it's not hard to conclude based on available treaty law that there is insufficient evidence to bring a case outside of sovereign Canadian jurisdiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 My point is that he was likely tortured. If Canada does not believe that he was tortured that is fine, but to deny that he was tortured all together is not the best way to deal with the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrmaad Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 My point is that he was likely tortured. If Canada does not believe that he was tortured that is fine, but to deny that he was tortured all together is not the best way to deal with the situation. An international incident over something that's not even proven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 My point is that he was likely tortured. If Canada does not believe that he was tortured that is fine, but to deny that he was tortured all together is not the best way to deal with the situation. An international incident over something that's not even proven?Not a good thing to do. I don't support his arrest in Canada, doesn't mean you should dismiss acts of torture all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrmaad Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I think it's safe to assume that the majority does not support using torture methods, they're unreliable at best, and using them justifies them being used on us. The burden is on the people to pressure the government not to use torture methods. There was a time when I believed America was better than that, anyway. We've risen to new lows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 By dismiss acts of torture I meant dismiss that that acts of torture have been used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I think it's safe to assume that the majority does not support using torture methods, they're unreliable at best, and using them justifies them being used on us. The burden is on the people to pressure the government not to use torture methods. There was a time when I believed America was better than that, anyway. We've risen to new lows.I am an advocate of the Geneva Accords they protect us as well as our foes. The line between torture and 'hard interrogation' has become extremely murky since 9/11. I understand the need for timely intel but there are some lines that separate us from our enemies and I would like to keep it that way. Though I must add it's always easy to judge from your armchair, it's quite another thing to be there, but no one in the military is required to follow an illegal order.... thats when your conscience should come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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