Future of EU...

[Signette]

...considering latest events.

I'm not living in Europe, so I have very limited overview, but from my standpoint it looks like great catastrophy is growing in there and it's disturbing at very least.

 

Disclaimer:

Topic is about foreign immigration, but let's not touch religion in any way, because it's forbidden and really irrelevant, but culture differences are.

 

Main point is how EU economy gonna carry so huge immigration as of late? There are already some protests of local population and things don't look to be improving. I'm also curious how different cultures gonna coexist in the future, because split is there for a long time now, and even Frau Merkel claimed back in 2010 how German multiculturalism has "utterly failed". That much is obvious though...

 

European and middle-east/african way of life are completely different. In liberal EU we have LGBT movements, people are openminded about it. No bans towards any clothes and looks no matter the gender. All this is very new and wild for newcomers, and obviously some things some cultures would never be able to accept, so are there any ideas how EU bureaucracy gonna regulate this and prevent violent outbreakes?

 

Problem is, I think not only native europeans are bothered by this, but also old, assimilated immigrants too, because it will hit them as hard as native ones both in social and economical ways.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Signette

[HeyYou]

They can't regulate it, or prevent violence. It IS going to happen. When the immigrants were in the minority, they were controlled simply be being a minority. With the influx of millions of new immigrants from the destabilized middle east, they are going to become significant.... and be able to alter the course of elections, and such. Then it will be THEIR culture that starts subsuming the existing culture...... And from that, you just get more violence..... It will be interesting to watch, but, sure glad I don't live there.

[Signette]

They can't regulate it, or prevent violence. It IS going to happen. When the immigrants were in the minority, they were controlled simply be being a minority. With the influx of millions of new immigrants from the destabilized middle east, they are going to become significant.... and be able to alter the course of elections, and such. Then it will be THEIR culture that starts subsuming the existing culture...... And from that, you just get more violence..... It will be interesting to watch, but, sure glad I don't live there.

Just my thoughts, though I'm really sorry about the Old World's future...

[Mirocu]

This is the last ditch f*** you from the kabal. They know they are loosing but they´re not going quietly.

 

 

 

It will be interesting to watch

It´ll be interesting to watch people finally waking up and putting a stop to this madness. As to "It´ll be interesting to watch the increased violence" I have to beg to differ.

[JimboUK]

This is will end in bloodshed, already the far right is on rise and Europe has a very dark history where minorities are concerned.

[Mirocu]

I´m far more worried about the far left at this point. It´s them who caused the current problem to begin with by simply ignoring facts and outlooks, all in the name of political correctness. It´s the poor women in Cologne and elsewhere who´ve started to pay the price.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Mirocu

[Vagrant0]

You cannot form a union based on the foundation of shared debt. Just as it becomes difficult for people to welcome foreigners when they've spent the last dozen generations trying to kick out or kill anyone other than those of the same cultural group. It also doesn't help matters when there are groups actively trying to destabilize whatever order might exist or exploit it for their own benefit. Humans are selfish, bigoted, and slow to accept differing points of view. The few exceptions, those who have managed to evolve, won't be able to bail the water fast enough to save the sinking ship.

 

A unified Europe hasn't happened since the times that the Romans (one group got close, but ended following the orders of an idiot and shot themselves in the foot with blind fanaticism) essentially swept through any land they could be bothered to claim and force people to accept Roman rule by prosperity, by force, or by having nobody left to object. It was also why the fall of Rome left such a large power-gap to be filled by whatever roaming bands managed to make peace or hold off being decimated. Just because the only working models we have had are ones where; you conquer everyone who isn't your culture, or wall off your country killing off anyone who tries to invade, does not mean that these are the only models which can work, but for any different model to work, you have to have a reason for people to want to make it work, but without giving them a means to exploit that reason for themselves.

[HeyYou]

You cannot form a union based on the foundation of shared debt. Just as it becomes difficult for people to welcome foreigners when they've spent the last dozen generations trying to kick out or kill anyone other than those of the same cultural group. It also doesn't help matters when there are groups actively trying to destabilize whatever order might exist or exploit it for their own benefit. Humans are selfish, bigoted, and slow to accept differing points of view. The few exceptions, those who have managed to evolve, won't be able to bail the water fast enough to save the sinking ship.

 

A unified Europe hasn't happened since the times that the Romans (one group got close, but ended following the orders of an idiot and shot themselves in the foot with blind fanaticism) essentially swept through any land they could be bothered to claim and force people to accept Roman rule by prosperity, by force, or by having nobody left to object. It was also why the fall of Rome left such a large power-gap to be filled by whatever roaming bands managed to make peace or hold off being decimated. Just because the only working models we have had are ones where; you conquer everyone who isn't your culture, or wall off your country killing off anyone who tries to invade, does not mean that these are the only models which can work, but for any different model to work, you have to have a reason for people to want to make it work, but without giving them a means to exploit that reason for themselves.

That's a pretty tall order, given that we are working with humans.... and, far worse, politicians..... It seems that the extremists on both sides are becoming more prominent, and the imported extremists with entirely different views of the way things 'should' be, aren't helping either. It would be great if cultures could share, get along, or assimilate, but, we have a selection of folks that think that THEIR way is the ONLY way, and anyone that disagrees should be dead...... What our politicians don't seem to understand is: The 'new' immigrants from the ME don't WANT to assimilate, or adapt to their new culture, they feel it is up to the other folks to adapt/accept/become like THEM. That just ain't gonna go over well, and violence is going to be the result.

[Aurielius]

I would agree that within the last few decades the rise of far right ultra nationalist or even quasi fascist political parties is evident in the EU. I would point out that the last time this type of political movement gained sway was because the socially liberal governments of the 20-30's were incapable of handling their economic social crises and people turned to simple sounding solutions without examining the messengers sufficiently. To quote Yogi Berri "It's deja vu all over again".

[HeyYou]

Yogi Berri?