Future of EU...

[Signette]

 

 

 

In my opinion, if nationalists will give rise in Europe:

1. First of all it will lead to civil war among natives.

2. It would be too late, because natives will become overwhelmed minority in their own countries.

 

Two options:

1.You know nothing about EU or...

2.You are delusional.

Nationalists are a minority already in most of EU but native Europeans are a huge majority in the EU countrys im familiar with. So your points are invalid at best.

 

Pretty much this.

 

Even for the nationalist minority, Most of them are in opposition of EU policies, not because it opens the door to other EU countries, but that it has allowed non-Europeans the ability to enter their country and travel freely. Not all countries in the EU share the same immigration and border policies when dealing with people originating from outside the EU, meaning that what has been possible is that some have immigrated to those areas with a relaxed immigration policy, become citizens, and by nature of now being a citizen of one EU country they can again move to another EU country who would have denied them originally... Essentially adding more strain to the social services of the countries which were once better off and leaving a means for criminal (smuggling, human trafficking) or fanatical elements to get established. Arguably it is a bigger problem than the US/Mexico border issue since in the EU you are dealing with more countries and inconsistent policies.

I really hope I'm delusional about this, because, as I said, it's not my own vision, it's what I get from reading/watching international media sources, so of course I could be wrong. But I suspect you might missed the point of what I'm saying:

 

Firstly, for now yes, you're right, nationalists are minority, but in a long run it may (or may not) change. Such intense immigration is the problem, and people will get upset about this, which may lead to increased number of nationalistic views in the pop.

 

Secondly, let's say in 20-30 years with same immigration traffic from middle east and afrikan countries, are you sure european natives would remain majority? And in this Vagrant0 actually made a point for me, with EU travelling policies, I think it's just a matter of time when entire foreign pop moves from relaxed immigration policy to more closed off countries, because obviously there won't be enough space for all and these people may have citizenship by that time. What then?

 

@Nailcake

That's curious read, and really contradicts what I know. I hear about some corruption scandals which involves rather small amount of money. The recent was in Iceland IIRC, where journalists found out about hidden bank accounts in offshores of their majorities, they got resigned soon. Similar thing in UK, with 50k pounds "withdrawn" from budget if I'm not mistaken, followed be immidiate resignation and apology. It sad to hear that corrupt, selfish a-holes just keep shuffling and these resignations and protests don't change much, but in critical situation (which is NOW) they should react somehow before it's too late...

Edited June 14, 2016 by Signette

[Mirocu]

The REAL EU agenda : The David Icke Videocast

[Piho]

In the long run you must take natality into consideration, if every year 700k native european kids are born and 3k immigrants enter the country (those numbers are just an example with my country in mind i dnt know numbers for all countries) no way natives going to become minority, and about nationalism (talking about political parties) you must take into consideration that they are seen like a bunch of politicians who say anything and use confrontation to achieve their personal goals, ex. in Spain nationalists in general but specially Catalunya nationalists/separatists are seen by the majority like a threat, in Italy nationalists are still somewhat associated with Fascist/BlackShirts etc. you must understand different countries have different points of view about nationalism and are unlikely to turn to it looking for help.

 

PS Im talking about true nationalists not those opportunistic politicians who talk about nationalism and immigrants only when they can win votes with it.

Edited June 14, 2016 by Piho

[Nailcake]

@Nailcake

That's curious read, and really contradicts what I know. I hear about some corruption scandals which involves rather small amount of money. The recent was in Iceland IIRC, where journalists found out about hidden bank accounts in offshores of their majorities, they got resigned soon. Similar thing in UK, with 50k pounds "withdrawn" from budget if I'm not mistaken, followed be immidiate resignation and apology. It sad to hear that corrupt, selfish a-holes just keep shuffling and these resignations and protests don't change much, but in critical situation (which is NOW) they should react somehow before it's too late...

 

Its not really corruption, they dont embezzle money. Its a political class really that is more interested in keeping itself alive/protected/privileged than anything else. A politician goes out of office, he ends up leading some company or sitting on some board of directors. How do you like a (former?)socialist leading the board of a big multimillion company screwing overa couple thousand simple employees who depend on it?

One former prime minister was in 13 (thirteen!) such boards and on each of them he received money(legally).

[Mirocu]

Europeans Begin to Revolt Over Migrant Invasion

[Piho]

Europeans Begin to Revolt Over Migrant Invasion

LoL at the video, really funny but what isnt very funny is the comment section under it, Northamericans talking shlt about EU with ignorance as the base of their affirmations is one of the reasons many Europeans feel superior to Northamericans.

 

Mathematics dont lie, deal with it.

 

Edit: Ops i almost forgot to mention you a spammer Mirocu, you just linking videos and adding nothing.

Edited June 16, 2016 by Piho

[Mirocu]

The videos talk for me. It´s not spam, that would be video posting that has nothing to do with this topic.

 

And please stay away from name calling. That really adds nothing.

Edited June 16, 2016 by Mirocu

[Aurielius]

 

Europeans Begin to Revolt Over Migrant Invasion

LoL at the video, really funny but what isnt very funny is the comment section under it, Northamericans talking shlt about EU with ignorance as the base of their affirmations is one of the reasons many Europeans feel superior to Northamericans.

 

Really? You think the EU is so inscrutable that we ignorant Americans / Canadians cannot possibly fathom it's workings? Unwarranted arrogant Hubris is always droll.

[Piho]

 

 

Europeans Begin to Revolt Over Migrant Invasion

LoL at the video, really funny but what isnt very funny is the comment section under it, Northamericans talking shlt about EU with ignorance as the base of their affirmations is one of the reasons many Europeans feel superior to Northamericans.

 

Really? You think the EU is so inscrutable that we ignorant Americans / Canadians cannot possibly fathom it's workings? Unwarranted arrogant Hubris is always droll.

 

Stupidity have nothing to do with nationality i was saying WHY many Erupeans feel superior, and to some degree you, missing the point by far, are actually proving im right.

[Piho]

The videos talk for me. It´s not spam, that would be video posting that has nothing to do with this topic.

 

And please stay away from name calling. That really adds nothing.

You just spamming in a topic you know nothing about and as result you add nothing of value.

Since when is calling a link spammer, spammer, is name calling?