Is America really turning Socialist

[HeyYou]

America isn't dead yet. But, we sure are pressing the pistol tightly to our chins....... Yes, we are at a crossroads, and decisions need to be made. Only trouble I see with that is, the folks in power don't have the first idea of just what "the right decisions" ARE. Obama recently signed three more Free Trade agreements. You will note that there wasn't a big fanfare made of it? Why you ask? Because the american PEOPLE are well aware that it is those very agreements that were already in place that were one of the driving factors in how we got to this crossroads in the first place. Obama probably knows that, but, his corporate handlers are telling him that they need to be put into place. All so the corporations can make yet more money by outsourcing yet more jobs......

 

So, things being as they are, with no signs of a change of course, it is only a matter of time before america first becomes the ultra welfare state, as no one will have a job...... and then we go the same direction as greece. Bankrupt. That should do wonders for the world economy.

[Aurielius]

"America is dead, its government obsolete, a remnant of the 20th century. What succeeds it will make all the difference, will it be succeeded by a utopia lead into thee future by visionaries of the new world, or will it become a corpse, a festering fallen empire that is a twisted mockery caused by people unable to let go, refusing to change with the times"

The reports of our demise are greatly exaggerated to paraphrase Mark Twain. You may just want to consider not giving up so damn easliy, this country has never been a free ride or been an easy row to hoe. Each generation must rise to the challenge before it and there have been far more daunting challenges than what face you and your generation. Those that wait for utopia generally watch life pass them by. I am sorry if you are disillusioned with what you must face but get a grip and.... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Whinging never solved a damn thing.if it did, we still be subjects of the crown.

[lukertin]

LoL HeyYou, signing a free trade agreement with South Korea really lets those corporations outsource American jobs, American corporations have had a long felt need to use South Korean workers instead of Americans, because...well, they're Asian, and Asians are good at math, right?

 

Signing a free trade agreement with Colombia was also a backhanded attempt to out jobs down there, despite the fact that Colombia is the fastest growing oil exporting country in South America and is slated to overtake Venezuela within a decade or two after Chavez bumbled his country with his socialist ideas.

 

Oh, right. President Obama is trying to screw us over for his corporate buttbuddies!

[Unholypaladin]

@ Unholypaladin ... nothing personal ... you post it, I have the right to repudiate it ... you may do likewise ... I sincerely apologies if i offend you ... this is a scatter shot and not at you ... I must point out that i do agree with you on some points but will only challenge the ones I don't agree with or feel interested in commenting on.

 

I am glad that you disagree with my points directly rather than stating "No! Because i said so"

 

However I would like to clarify a few things

 

Point 1)

I am not referring to the people who work hard to improve their status, and not necessarily the rich. I am referring to the ignorant, the tyrants, the corrupt. To paraphrase, the people who think everyone else is below them. I am referring to those people who disreguard everything said without fully considering what is said, that everyone with a different opinion is wrong. Everyone hates to be wrong, and its not uncommon to dismiss different opinions without really looking them over, but there are people who physically cannot accept anything other than their own thoughts, even if their thoughts are based on complete fiction. Another example is extreme racists, the kind of people that believe themselves to be the master race, the people who think of everyone else as scum but them.

 

Point 2)

Here I refer to the people who would screw everyone over for their own benefit. The kind of people who would take a whole cake at a birthday party and than punch the kid in the face, there is working hard to get to the top and than there are the people who rely on other people's hard work in order to get to the top and than kick them off. Take more than there share is more of a poorly used expression rather than a good representation. You know these people exist, and they are the ones who end up on top, not the hard working, not the loyal, not the dedicated, but the weasles and liars.

 

Point 3)

The faceless drones are the people who work hard, the ones who try hard as they can to get places but lack the luck. The people you say "Try" arn't the ones who try at all, they are the ones who take the short cuts. In american society, it is almost impossible to improve ones status, these arn't my words, this is a stated fact, this is statistics at work. The ones who do are usually the criminals and sociopaths, the ones who step over the other people. Its not a matter of trying in America, there are two ways to get to the top, Luck or Lies, contrary to what society would have you believe.

 

Point 4)

What i refer to here is in america, however governments should not supress the people, plain and simple. What i refer to is the exact opposite, a world where people are allowed to think what they want to think, to believe what they want to believe. Nationalized beliefs are vicious, from nationalized beliefs comes suppression and torture. What the government believes isn't always what the people believe, a government should reflect its people, plain and simple. Never the other way around, it doesn't have to be democratic as long as its not corrupt. It comes from religious laws and narrow morals when people start being tortured and tormented, look at nazi germany for example, although it was a good system it was tainted with racism and hate, its these primitive views that hold us back not just as a society but as a species. I don't call them primitive because they are different from my own, i call them primitive because they refuse to listen to any form of reason, they fail to provide any explination why, they are forced beliefs, my parents believed it so therefore it must be true and nothing else matters. they is no reasoning behind it, people simply remain ignorant to all alternatives.

 

Point 5)

The America i refer to is dead, it died on January 1st 2000, and now the world waits for a new America to take its place. I'm not saying that america is dead as a county, but the old american ways have no place in a new world, the world has changed, and america is forced to change with it or die, either way, The Old America is dead, which might not be such a bad thing.

 

Point 6)

I have no real counter argument for this, its a theory based on the path America is currently heading,

 

Out of all points the one to most likely kill America completely is the education system, the education system is the future of the country, especially in a democracy. History dictates that the most educated countries are the ones on top, Greeks, Romans, Britain, and so on and so forth, education is the continuation or the death of an empire.

[HeyYou]

The path that america is currently headed on, is that of its own self-destruction. We are going to legislate, and treaty ourselves into third world nation status.

[Marxist ßastard]

Because that's what third-world countries are known for – over-regulation and good diplomacy.

[Maharg67]

I do not like free trade agreements with the USA. As an Australian I think that it is Australia that too often loses out though I am sure more than a few Americans could suffer.

In Australia many Australians were not sure about the agreement but our politicians raced it through anyway. Typical!

 

This is beside the major topic. As for the USA going socialist, socialism around the world always became changed in various places as it was influenced by the nature of those cultures, histories, etc. Even if 'socialism' arose in the USA one day, it would be a 'US brand of socialism' quite distinctive from any other forms that came before just as Vietnam socialism grew differently from Chinese, Cuban and so on. They all have things in common but also less in common. The irony would be if the USA actually did a better job with 'socialism' that has been done before by others.

 

As for predicting history, I did history at university but not just facts and figures. I was educated to look at patterns of history, the 'making of history' and even the 'predictions' of history. I can tell you that the great majority of past predictions have turned out to be either totally or largely wrong.

 

Also patterns of change that seem to be obvious are often misleading. In the late 1800s it seemed that Communism had been profoundly defeated and many predicted that it would never rise from the ashes. By 1950 Communism ruled, for good or bad, much of the world including Asia, Africa and the Americas. Socialism also came to have a profound influence on many parts of the world though less on the USA than some might believe.

 

Predicting the future of politics, like any such predictions, is problematic at the least.

Edited November 13, 2011 by Maharg67