On console mods, theft and Bethesda.net

[HermanMODSTER]

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155, #39709705 are all replies on the same post.

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

DrakeTheDragon wrote: It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

Dude... did youi read the post?
It´s not about the console/pc war. Or the unawareness of "without Beth no Nexus". Crying about solen mods :).?.?.? That``s something that happend here many times. Modathors used existing mods for theirs hundrets of times.
It´s about does Beth care about it and if why reacting like they did.
Sure you mist this...
I’ll list a few of the common and reasonable reasons for not wanting to share their work either on other sites, or specifically for console users.

The mod author is aware the mod will not work on consoles or could even potentially harm a console, therefore will not port the mod to consoles.
The mod author was actively working on porting their mod to consoles, but it actually required some work to do as they needed to make changes to their mod to accommodate the limits on mods and ensure it was as efficient as possible for console users.
The author prides themselves on being able to tell their users it’s been optimised as much as possible, but sadly doesn’t own a console and doesn’t want to buy a console to ensure that same quality is also evident on consoles.
In the same vein, it’s hard to fix bugs specific to console mods if you don’t actually own the console and can’t test it yourself. The author doesn’t want to release a mod they can’t actively support.
The mod wouldn’t actually be allowed on Bethesda.net due to the content of the mod conflicting with their mod uploading rules.
The author doesn’t want to manage their mods in multiple locations on multiple sites and prefers to keep everything in one place, on one site.
The author has made use of other user’s assets, with legal permission to do so, and therefore cannot grant others the right to share that work without first getting permission from the original creator of the work that may or may not be possible.
The author doesn’t like Bethesda.net/Nexus Mods/whatever site we’re talking about so refuses to use it.
Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.

[HermanMODSTER]

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155, #39709705, #39721135, #39721215 are all replies on the same post.

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

DrakeTheDragon wrote: It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Dude... did youi read the post?
It´s not about the console/pc war. Or the unawareness of "without Beth no Nexus". Crying about solen mods :).?.?.? That``s something that happend here many times. Modathors used existing mods for theirs hundrets of times.
It´s about does Beth care about it and if why reacting like they did.
Sure you mist this...
I’ll list a few of the common and reasonable reasons for not wanting to share their work either on other sites, or specifically for console users.

The mod author is aware the mod will not work on consoles or could even potentially harm a console, therefore will not port the mod to consoles.
The mod author was actively working on porting their mod to consoles, but it actually required some work to do as they needed to make changes to their mod to accommodate the limits on mods and ensure it was as efficient as possible for console users.
The author prides themselves on being able to tell their users it’s been optimised as much as possible, but sadly doesn’t own a console and doesn’t want to buy a console to ensure that same quality is also evident on consoles.
In the same vein, it’s hard to fix bugs specific to console mods if you don’t actually own the console and can’t test it yourself. The author doesn’t want to release a mod they can’t actively support.
The mod wouldn’t actually be allowed on Bethesda.net due to the content of the mod conflicting with their mod uploading rules.
The author doesn’t want to manage their mods in multiple locations on multiple sites and prefers to keep everything in one place, on one site.
The author has made use of other user’s assets, with legal permission to do so, and therefore cannot grant others the right to share that work without first getting permission from the original creator of the work that may or may not be possible.
The author doesn’t like Bethesda.net/Nexus Mods/whatever site we’re talking about so refuses to use it.
Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.

HermanMODSTER wrote: :)

Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all. :):):)

[MarchinBunny]

 

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155 are all replies on the same post.

 

 

 

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

 

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

 

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

 

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

 

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

 

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

 

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

 

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

 

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

 

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

 

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

 

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

 

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

 

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

 

I think that is pretty sad. If everyone acted like that, there wouldn't even be games. You are not going to be able to stop it, and if that really bothers someone to the point of quitting, then I don't know what to tell them. It's not like everyone in the community is a pirate, or stealing their mods.

 

They are essentially saying, screw all my fans, I don't care about my fans because of the few that happen to piss me off.

 

It, honestly, shocks me too, because it seems most are in support of the mod developers and against the thievery. So what exactly is their problem? Is their problem that it's occurring at all? If so, welcome to the real world. It happens to even game developers.

 

I am not going to just cry about my game being pirated and stop making games. I am going to continue to do so because I like to and the pirates do not represent the community. However, I wouldn't even so much as to harp on those pirating my game. Fine, you are stealing my work ... but are you enjoying it? Yes? Well that makes me happy, and that is why I made the game. Maybe later on when you get enough money, you will buy it, but if not ... no worries.

 

If 90% of the mod devs are looking to quit, there isn't anything we can do to stop them. I will not miss you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I rather see mod developers who are able to look past this sort of crap instead of just quitting because of it. Is that really all your work is worth to you? All the people who do appreciate you ... you are willing to turn your back on them?

 

Well .. whatever. Not like things are going to change. Likely just disagree with me, ignore me and continue to do what they are going to do. Let the cards fall where they may.

[HermanMODSTER]

In response to post #39596365. #39600130 is also a reply to the same post.

chuckdm wrote: Just a few things I'd like to add to this:

1) That consoles are inferior (they are) to PCs is indeed completely and totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. That does NOT make it an invalid issue, but it does mean that nobody should've brought that unrelated, even if valid, discussion into this one.

As long as it's here, though, (yes I'm being hypocritical, but I'm sorry, this has to be said) I just want to say one simple thing: you can buy a gaming laptop that outperforms all 3 consoles combined for under $700. Just about the one and only reason, historically, to buy a console was that it was cheaper. Now they're not. (Both major controllers are Bluetooth so they work with PCs, obvious graphics superiority, etc. Not going to rehash everything else here.)

In short, I'm not an advocate for PCs because they're better. I'm an advocate for PCs because consoles are ripping off consumers. People are paying more money for an inferior product. In other words, I'm trying to protect console players from themselves. You don't have to like the fact that I'm forcing you to wear a seatbelt right now - you'll like it when you aren't a grease spot on the pavement later.

But, yes, that isn't relevant to the problem at hand. It's still a valid discussion, but ok, this really isn't the place. (I love you my console brothers and sisters! I'm only trying to help you!)

2) Mods make money. Not all mods, and not a lot of money, but Nexus has a donation feature. I haven't actually looked at Bethesda.net (I have no reason to) but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the donation feature isn't one they offer.

And that's a problem. Credit and kudos and warm fuzzy feelings aside, I'm sure at least a dozen mod authors on the Nexus make enough money from their creations to fuel several late night coffee binges, and I've read enough mod descriptions (and written enough PHP in my youth) to know that's when the really awesome, creative stuff happens. In a very real, palpable sense, mod theft isn't just stealing the recognition these authors deserve, it's literally taking cold, hard cash out of their pockets.

And who knows? Maybe that $10 or so is the difference between them being able to sink another 20 hours into an awesome armor or weapon, or having to go get a second job and not having the time. I'd hate to be deprived of the next Nuka Gear or Commonwealth Shorts because the author had to go get another job to pay the bills, when just 2 or 3 generous people who found their mods through Nexus could;ve made a difference.

3) This problem really began in April. I still don't have the CK, because I refuse to make yet another account on yet another web site, theft or not. The day we had to go create an account with Bethesda to download the CK, THAT'S then the uproar should've started. That's when this turned south. It was the red herring we all missed.

And here's the scary part: now I'm probably going to have to find a way to pirate a copy of the CK just to make mods for a game I bought and paid good money for the season pass for. I mean, now that the true purpose of Bethesda.net has been revealed, I'm less annoyed at having to create yet another umpteenth login on yet another web site, and more straight up too mad at them to consider it...but those are my choices now. Either sign up for a site I hate on principal, or pirate a utility for a game I actually bought. How messed up is that?

kevindad1 wrote: You don't want to use the CK because you have to sign up for Bethesda's website? That makes no sense.

.but those are my choices now. Either sign up for a site I hate on principal, or pirate a utility for a game I actually bought. How messed up is that?
Choice number 3 leave it.
Or sign up for

or the MAHED version.
ut, yes, that isn't relevant to the problem at hand. It's still a valid discussion, but ok, this really isn't the place. (I love you my console brothers and sisters! I'm only trying to help you!
Save money and get lot´s of stuff for free.

[iTzHeroKiller]

Being a lowy console user I feel this whole modding thing is like a candy store and the children (console users) have been set loose in. Give it some time and once console users get used to having access to mods the gimme gimme will calm down and things will smooth out. It does pain me to see my fellow console users act like starving hyenas and I do agree that a better system needs to be put into place to keep things honest! I really would hate to loose the awesome mods I have been using cause modders go private. Another thing to keep in mind that console users tend to be younger and pc users tend to be older and more mature. not saying that makes theft of any kind right but it is something to ke in mind

[dungeonmaster7]

Nexus moderation...lolololololololol.

 

My friend was banned on a false accusation then made another account to explain the false accusation to which the moderators banned him for making another account.

Because logic.

I have seen amazing mod authors banned from here for the most trivial and ridiculous of things. I'm surprised any decent mod authors even upload to nexus anymore.

 

A moderator gets his feathers ruffled and butt-hurt and you are gone.

I'm probably gone for writing this?!

[HermanMODSTER]

In response to post #39722940.

iTzHeroKiller wrote: Being a lowy console user I feel this whole modding thing is like a candy store and the children (console users) have been set loose in. Give it some time and once console users get used to having access to mods the gimme gimme will calm down and things will smooth out. It does pain me to see my fellow console users act like starving hyenas and I do agree that a better system needs to be put into place to keep things honest! I really would hate to loose the awesome mods I have been using cause modders go private. Another thing to keep in mind that console users tend to be younger and pc users tend to be older and more mature. not saying that makes theft of any kind right but it is something to ke in mind

We all use console. Mature or not. I bring up mine everytime i´ve launched SR or FO :D The thing causing moddders go private is not the need of console players for mods. It is that Beth didn´t react to reports of "moving" Files from this site to theirs properly or fast enough.

[jeyjs]

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155, #39709705, #39721135, #39721215, #39721375, #39721415 are all replies on the same post.

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

DrakeTheDragon wrote: It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Dude... did youi read the post?
It´s not about the console/pc war. Or the unawareness of "without Beth no Nexus". Crying about solen mods :).?.?.? That``s something that happend here many times. Modathors used existing mods for theirs hundrets of times.
It´s about does Beth care about it and if why reacting like they did.
Sure you mist this...
I’ll list a few of the common and reasonable reasons for not wanting to share their work either on other sites, or specifically for console users.

The mod author is aware the mod will not work on consoles or could even potentially harm a console, therefore will not port the mod to consoles.
The mod author was actively working on porting their mod to consoles, but it actually required some work to do as they needed to make changes to their mod to accommodate the limits on mods and ensure it was as efficient as possible for console users.
The author prides themselves on being able to tell their users it’s been optimised as much as possible, but sadly doesn’t own a console and doesn’t want to buy a console to ensure that same quality is also evident on consoles.
In the same vein, it’s hard to fix bugs specific to console mods if you don’t actually own the console and can’t test it yourself. The author doesn’t want to release a mod they can’t actively support.
The mod wouldn’t actually be allowed on Bethesda.net due to the content of the mod conflicting with their mod uploading rules.
The author doesn’t want to manage their mods in multiple locations on multiple sites and prefers to keep everything in one place, on one site.
The author has made use of other user’s assets, with legal permission to do so, and therefore cannot grant others the right to share that work without first getting permission from the original creator of the work that may or may not be possible.
The author doesn’t like Bethesda.net/Nexus Mods/whatever site we’re talking about so refuses to use it.
Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.

HermanMODSTER wrote: :)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all. :):):)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.
:):):)
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they can be relaced, also all we need is someone to let sony, microsoft and the console mod downloaders know that the script extender is being implanted into mods on purpouse by cyber bullys, as a revenge tactic to hack sonys and xboxes game system and cause damage to gamefiles. sony will then use thire lawyers to bann the script extender. it will cause fear and fans of console will realize that they can call thire console manufacture. then the moding community can be destroyed like birchconnor834 and the other pc only authers wants it to be.
console supporters and console moders would live on and we can tell the tale of how biggoted the pc master group was and how you were a part of the hate. Edited June 24, 2016 by jeyjs

[jaitsu]

Well put. People on both sides, both PC and console, are going to have to do some growing up now with things suddenly moving forward like this. I won't defend Bethesda on how they've handled the situation of course, but it seems quite clear a lot of people are using it as an excuse to try and start some kind of new hardware war.

[birchconnor834]

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155, #39709705, #39721135, #39721215, #39721375, #39721415, #39727750 are all replies on the same post.

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

DrakeTheDragon wrote: It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Dude... did youi read the post?
It´s not about the console/pc war. Or the unawareness of "without Beth no Nexus". Crying about solen mods :).?.?.? That``s something that happend here many times. Modathors used existing mods for theirs hundrets of times.
It´s about does Beth care about it and if why reacting like they did.
Sure you mist this...
I’ll list a few of the common and reasonable reasons for not wanting to share their work either on other sites, or specifically for console users.

The mod author is aware the mod will not work on consoles or could even potentially harm a console, therefore will not port the mod to consoles.
The mod author was actively working on porting their mod to consoles, but it actually required some work to do as they needed to make changes to their mod to accommodate the limits on mods and ensure it was as efficient as possible for console users.
The author prides themselves on being able to tell their users it’s been optimised as much as possible, but sadly doesn’t own a console and doesn’t want to buy a console to ensure that same quality is also evident on consoles.
In the same vein, it’s hard to fix bugs specific to console mods if you don’t actually own the console and can’t test it yourself. The author doesn’t want to release a mod they can’t actively support.
The mod wouldn’t actually be allowed on Bethesda.net due to the content of the mod conflicting with their mod uploading rules.
The author doesn’t want to manage their mods in multiple locations on multiple sites and prefers to keep everything in one place, on one site.
The author has made use of other user’s assets, with legal permission to do so, and therefore cannot grant others the right to share that work without first getting permission from the original creator of the work that may or may not be possible.
The author doesn’t like Bethesda.net/Nexus Mods/whatever site we’re talking about so refuses to use it.
Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.

HermanMODSTER wrote: :)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all. :):):)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.
:):):)
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jeyjs wrote: they can be relaced, also all we need is someone to let sony, microsoft and the console mod downloaders know that the script extender is being implanted into mods on purpouse by cyber bullys, as a revenge tactic to hack sonys and xboxes game system and cause damage to gamefiles. sony will then use thire lawyers to bann the script extender. it will cause fear and fans of console will realize that they can call thire console manufacture. then the moding community can be destroyed like birchconnor834 and the other pc only authers wants it to be.
console supporters and console moders would live on and we can tell the tale of how biggoted the pc master group was and how you were a part of the hate.

I want to say I didn't read any of your comments because I know how butt hurt all you pc players and mod authors are and I know you premium douchebags just love to hate on anything that is anti-pc or anti-nexus because your their little bitches and I can tell that everyone is so invested in posting on the forms and paying for a useless membership instead of living in the real world, buy hey at least you have porn and the nexus to jerk you off