On console mods, theft and Bethesda.net

[Aquery]

Oh just a bunch of trolls, move along.

[TheVampireDante]

but it seems quite clear a lot of people are using it as an excuse to try and start some kind of new hardware war.

 

Exactly, and it's a useless waste of time and not even the focus of the situation.

 

Mods on PC: Fine.

Mods on Console: Fine.

Mods taken without permission: Not fine - doesn't matter what platform.

 

Some people just won't accept that last point, despite the evidence.

[TheVampireDante]

In response to post #39723480. #39723955 is also a reply to the same post.

dungeonmaster7 wrote: Nexus moderation...lolololololololol.

My friend was banned on a false accusation then made another account to explain the false accusation to which the moderators banned him for making another account.
Because logic.
I have seen amazing mod authors banned from here for the most trivial and ridiculous of things. I'm surprised any decent mod authors even upload to nexus anymore.

A moderator gets his feathers ruffled and butt-hurt and you are gone.
I'm probably gone for writing this?!

Ethreon wrote: Let's see the arguments
- "moderation lololol" - this is just s#*! slinging, where you don't even realize all that s#*! lands on yourself. Guess you like it.

"My friend was banned on a false accusation" - show us the link to his ban and proof that it was a fake accusation. Unless you do, you're full of more s#*!. Guess you really like it.

"then made another account to explain the false accusation to which the moderators banned him for making another account.
Because logic." - because rules. read them, there are very few and most reduce to "don't be a dick".

"A moderator gets his feathers ruffled and butt-hurt and you are gone" - more s#*! slinging. You REALLY like being covered in it, eh?

You want to discuss that, then do so with me.

I'll need their username, and if you can find it a link to to their ban notice.
If you cannot supply the ban notice link, then I'll look it up myself.

For reference though - if they felt wronged, they should have supplied any evidence of their innocence within a submitted unban appeal. This information would have been supplied to them, and should have been followed.

Creating a second account without permission is also against site regulations and grounds for an instant ban on the new account and forfeit of any further appeal.

Perhaps both of you should read over the site terms of service. It looks like neither of you understand how this site works as far as it's rules and regulations are enforced.

[lmccloud]

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155, #39709705, #39721135, #39721215, #39721375, #39721415, #39727750, #39730905 are all replies on the same post.

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

DrakeTheDragon wrote: It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Dude... did youi read the post?
It´s not about the console/pc war. Or the unawareness of "without Beth no Nexus". Crying about solen mods :).?.?.? That``s something that happend here many times. Modathors used existing mods for theirs hundrets of times.
It´s about does Beth care about it and if why reacting like they did.
Sure you mist this...
I’ll list a few of the common and reasonable reasons for not wanting to share their work either on other sites, or specifically for console users.

The mod author is aware the mod will not work on consoles or could even potentially harm a console, therefore will not port the mod to consoles.
The mod author was actively working on porting their mod to consoles, but it actually required some work to do as they needed to make changes to their mod to accommodate the limits on mods and ensure it was as efficient as possible for console users.
The author prides themselves on being able to tell their users it’s been optimised as much as possible, but sadly doesn’t own a console and doesn’t want to buy a console to ensure that same quality is also evident on consoles.
In the same vein, it’s hard to fix bugs specific to console mods if you don’t actually own the console and can’t test it yourself. The author doesn’t want to release a mod they can’t actively support.
The mod wouldn’t actually be allowed on Bethesda.net due to the content of the mod conflicting with their mod uploading rules.
The author doesn’t want to manage their mods in multiple locations on multiple sites and prefers to keep everything in one place, on one site.
The author has made use of other user’s assets, with legal permission to do so, and therefore cannot grant others the right to share that work without first getting permission from the original creator of the work that may or may not be possible.
The author doesn’t like Bethesda.net/Nexus Mods/whatever site we’re talking about so refuses to use it.
Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.

HermanMODSTER wrote: :)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all. :):):)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.
:):):)
SPAM IN U R F.A.C.E

jeyjs wrote: they can be relaced, also all we need is someone to let sony, microsoft and the console mod downloaders know that the script extender is being implanted into mods on purpouse by cyber bullys, as a revenge tactic to hack sonys and xboxes game system and cause damage to gamefiles. sony will then use thire lawyers to bann the script extender. it will cause fear and fans of console will realize that they can call thire console manufacture. then the moding community can be destroyed like birchconnor834 and the other pc only authers wants it to be.
console supporters and console moders would live on and we can tell the tale of how biggoted the pc master group was and how you were a part of the hate.

birchconnor834 wrote: I want to say I didn't read any of your comments because I know how butt hurt all you pc players and mod authors are and I know you premium douchebags just love to hate on anything that is anti-pc or anti-nexus because your their little bitches and I can tell that everyone is so invested in posting on the forms and paying for a useless membership instead of living in the real world, buy hey at least you have porn and the nexus to jerk you off

Birchconnor834,

I am a writer. If I put my work out there, and someone decides to use any aspect of it without giving me credit, I have grounds to sue. It's MY creation. I may have used MS Office, but it's MY work. MS doesn't own any of it. (Lesson here: Plagiarism is illegal)

In essence--what was said in the above article, if you had bothered to read it--is that despite it being free, despite the base product belonging to Bethesda, that little bit of software/mod belongs to the author. NOT Bethesda. Your statement about "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it" is inaccurate and ignorant. (Lesson here: Theft is still theft even if it's free)

Also, punctuation is your friend. Learn to use it.

Sincerely,

A faithful mod loving user who is ever so greatful for other people sharing their creativity :)

[filechick]

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155, #39709705, #39721135, #39721215, #39721375, #39721415, #39727750, #39730905, #39732585 are all replies on the same post.

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

DrakeTheDragon wrote: It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Dude... did youi read the post?
It´s not about the console/pc war. Or the unawareness of "without Beth no Nexus". Crying about solen mods :).?.?.? That``s something that happend here many times. Modathors used existing mods for theirs hundrets of times.
It´s about does Beth care about it and if why reacting like they did.
Sure you mist this...
I’ll list a few of the common and reasonable reasons for not wanting to share their work either on other sites, or specifically for console users.

The mod author is aware the mod will not work on consoles or could even potentially harm a console, therefore will not port the mod to consoles.
The mod author was actively working on porting their mod to consoles, but it actually required some work to do as they needed to make changes to their mod to accommodate the limits on mods and ensure it was as efficient as possible for console users.
The author prides themselves on being able to tell their users it’s been optimised as much as possible, but sadly doesn’t own a console and doesn’t want to buy a console to ensure that same quality is also evident on consoles.
In the same vein, it’s hard to fix bugs specific to console mods if you don’t actually own the console and can’t test it yourself. The author doesn’t want to release a mod they can’t actively support.
The mod wouldn’t actually be allowed on Bethesda.net due to the content of the mod conflicting with their mod uploading rules.
The author doesn’t want to manage their mods in multiple locations on multiple sites and prefers to keep everything in one place, on one site.
The author has made use of other user’s assets, with legal permission to do so, and therefore cannot grant others the right to share that work without first getting permission from the original creator of the work that may or may not be possible.
The author doesn’t like Bethesda.net/Nexus Mods/whatever site we’re talking about so refuses to use it.
Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.

HermanMODSTER wrote: :)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all. :):):)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.
:):):)
SPAM IN U R F.A.C.E

jeyjs wrote: they can be relaced, also all we need is someone to let sony, microsoft and the console mod downloaders know that the script extender is being implanted into mods on purpouse by cyber bullys, as a revenge tactic to hack sonys and xboxes game system and cause damage to gamefiles. sony will then use thire lawyers to bann the script extender. it will cause fear and fans of console will realize that they can call thire console manufacture. then the moding community can be destroyed like birchconnor834 and the other pc only authers wants it to be.
console supporters and console moders would live on and we can tell the tale of how biggoted the pc master group was and how you were a part of the hate.

birchconnor834 wrote: I want to say I didn't read any of your comments because I know how butt hurt all you pc players and mod authors are and I know you premium douchebags just love to hate on anything that is anti-pc or anti-nexus because your their little bitches and I can tell that everyone is so invested in posting on the forms and paying for a useless membership instead of living in the real world, buy hey at least you have porn and the nexus to jerk you off

lmccloud wrote: Birchconnor834,

I am a writer. If I put my work out there, and someone decides to use any aspect of it without giving me credit, I have grounds to sue. It's MY creation. I may have used MS Office, but it's MY work. MS doesn't own any of it. (Lesson here: Plagiarism is illegal)

In essence--what was said in the above article, if you had bothered to read it--is that despite it being free, despite the base product belonging to Bethesda, that little bit of software/mod belongs to the author. NOT Bethesda. Your statement about "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it" is inaccurate and ignorant. (Lesson here: Theft is still theft even if it's free)

Also, punctuation is your friend. Learn to use it.

Sincerely,

A faithful mod loving user who is ever so greatful for other people sharing their creativity :)

I don't think I have ever seen a better example of someone making an ass out of themselves then your comments to this article (of which you clearly didn't read). Edited June 24, 2016 by filechick

[xNiNELiVES]

Why not close off the community from any new members and begin monitoring who reuploads mods (tracking downloading history maybe)? We could start accepting new members from a referral system (only members part of Nexus for certain period of time and free of infractions could invite).

 

Sorry if it is a terrible idea. I thought that if nobody can download these mods off of Nexus freely, no bot or troll could reupload them.

Edited June 24, 2016 by xNiNELiVES

[Deleted2417734User]

I'm starting to get sick of the way Bethesda treats PC players. They pride themselves on their PC and modding roots, but they're trying to become Open World RPG Call of Duty. Not to say that it's wrong, that there shouldn't be an open world RPG version of Call of Duty, I enjoyed Black Ops 3 and think Infinite Warfare actually looks pretty cool. But that's not what the Elder Scrolls or especially especially especially Fallout should ever be. Bethesda is constantly selling out their roots for modern gaming trends. Their target audience is the console FIFA/Madden COD players. They know that people who've been around since Arena or Fallout 1 are going to pick up the newest TES/Fallout even if the only way you can obtain it is to buy Mountain Dew and Doritos until you've gotten enough Bethesda points to win the game.

 

Mods on consoles is a great way to expand the franchise for new fans, but I feel like it's going to come at the cost of PC modding. Bethesda is going to want to own the modding scene. Maybe they won't charge paid mods, but having small mod-bits DLC such as the building-pieces DLC for Fallout 4 is going to be their way of getting people to spend additional money since the Vault 111.01 Overhaul Mod isn't going to work without the Vault-Tech Workshop DLC. Maybe they'll limit the power of what mods can accomplish, essentially capping out the capacity of mods at console levels. Oh, Mod X won't work on the PS4/XB1? I guess the Creation Kit isn't powerful enough to make the mods. Oh, we want to control all mods, so why not lock down mod creation exclusive to the Creation Kit? Why not lock down mods exclusively to Bethesda.net?

 

I'm seriously worried that as time goes on they're going to water down the tools mod makers have so console users aren't left out. I'm afraid they're going to lock mods into their delivery services and creation services, focusing on making it so every mod on earth is cross platform especially for consoles meaning no PC exclusive mods (think Skywind, expansive overhauls that are too big for consoles) so that their new favorites aren't left out.

 

It's a bit paranoid, but the attitude Bethesda is showing makes me think it's possible. They're seemingly obsessed with making sure console users get the best experience, we PC players only get stuff like 60fps and the ability to use keyboard + mouse. If it were reasonable to not support 60fps or keyboard/mouse on PC and it were cheaper to do so I wouldn't be surprised if modern day Bethesda wouldn't go the extra mile to provide that stuff. And considering that modding is now on consoles, when has Bethesda ever gone the extra mile for PC gamers? I'm not demanding 4K 144fps crazy crap like that, but they're pretty much putting the bare minimum in servicing PC gamers. How long until mods become like that too?

[HermanMODSTER]

In response to post #39736700.

xNiNELiVES wrote: Why not close off the community from any new members and begin monitoring who reuploads mods (tracking downloading history maybe)? We could start accepting new members from a referral system (only members part of Nexus for certain period of time and free of infractions could invite).

Sorry if it is a terrible idea. I thought that if nobody can download these mods off of Nexus freely, no bot or troll could reupload them.

Building walls sumons more Giants. And flying Mamoths.

[HermanMODSTER]

In response to post #39731875.

The Vampire Dante wrote:

but it seems quite clear a lot of people are using it as an excuse to try and start some kind of new hardware war.

 

Exactly, and it's a useless waste of time and not even the focus of the situation.

 

Mods on PC: Fine.

Mods on Console: Fine.

Mods taken without permission: Not fine - doesn't matter what platform.

 

Some people just won't accept that last point, despite the evidence.

Agreed
Agreed
No how do we raise awareness about that last point. More posts about modstealing on steamcomunity or Bethnet?
Youtubestuff? Tv spots?
I already got me that wonderfull shirt. And uploaded screenshots everywhere. And told my friends about the sitiuation here. (They most likely agree with Dark0ne about his thoughts on BETH. Opening a new thread on steamcom to post a link to this or other topic on Nexus... huhm... what is your idea? @Honorable moderators thanks for keeping up your good work.
:D
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/1151/images/14874-1-1466642487.jpg
:)
Hiding mods for protection is a good way to prevent them from stealing.
The fact people see no other way and go private with a lot of good mods makes me sad and angry.
The t-shirt helped a lot to make me feel better.
Thx Eli Edited June 24, 2016 by HermanMODSTER

[HamerNineSeven]

In response to post #39736700. #39738725 is also a reply to the same post.

xNiNELiVES wrote: Why not close off the community from any new members and begin monitoring who reuploads mods (tracking downloading history maybe)? We could start accepting new members from a referral system (only members part of Nexus for certain period of time and free of infractions could invite).

Sorry if it is a terrible idea. I thought that if nobody can download these mods off of Nexus freely, no bot or troll could reupload them.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Building walls sumons more Giants. And flying Mamoths.

"We are gonna build a wall, and console users are gonna pay for it!"