Enclave DLC

[noahdvs]

They could be but most likely won't be due to them being so weak they wouldn't have the resources and their history of, you know, being actual wasteland Nazis won't help them gather faith now that the entire capital wasteland and the surrounding area would know who the Enclave is from trade caravans and news of the war.

 

They're as dead as the dodo and I say good riddance. Should've been dead completely after Fallout 2.

The name Enclave and their ideas that pure humans should be the only to exist should obviously die. It definitely didn't work and any wastelanders who heard about the Enclave probably know they're bad news. That would be the reason for making a new group based only on rebuilding America. Humans aren't all good or bad and good people have been brought up in Nazi Germany. It's not unlikely that once the remaining Enclave members realized their ideas just don't work, they would interact with the people of the wasteland, if only to allow themselves to survive at first and realize that impurity really isn't that bad. There's already evidence that such a thing is possible in FNV with the ex-Enclave doctor who ironically lives with the most mutated kind people in the wasteland. The pure humanity thing certainly wouldn't last, but the idea of rebuilding a past where life was easier could certainly gain a following.

 

 

 

A new faction founded by ex-Enclave with the whole thing about pure humans abandoned in favor of focusing on rebuilding America could easily be a thing. They could even become a type of good guy or at least a grey faction like the FO4 BoS based on that.

Bethesda's Fallout already has enough goodie two shoes in it, we really don't need another...especially one whose intentions and goals, while were admirable, were also inexcusable in their execution.

 

Only way the Enclave should ever return is in remnant reminiscent to New Vegas, but even then, you can only do that so many times before it wears out it's welcome. The Enclave has already done that, give them a rest

 

Your reply is 6 minutes too late, I edited my post. Happens to everyone.

Edited June 28, 2016 by noahdvs

[CiderMuffin]

There is a reason why the Enclave remnants hid away in New Vegas, because they knew if they revealed themselves they would be killed off. Same thing would happen in the east coast and given this time all the bases and personnel were destroyed completely they would be dead. At most there would only be the isolated outposts in D.C. that the BoS would've destroyed or they would've gone into hiding like the Enclave remnants did in New Vegas. They'd have no supplies, no real means of communication and nothing to support themselves. The only real option would be to hide and just give up.

 

Face it, the Enclave in it's entirety is dead. There is nothing left of it but old veterans hiding away hoping they don't get caught and arrested as war criminals by the superior forces.

 

America and the Enclave are dead.

[noahdvs]

There is a reason why the Enclave remnants hid away in New Vegas, because they knew if they revealed themselves they would be killed off. Same thing would happen in the east coast and given this time all the bases and personnel were destroyed completely they would be dead. At most there would only be the isolated outposts in D.C. that the BoS would've destroyed or they would've gone into hiding like the Enclave remnants did in New Vegas. They'd have no supplies, no real means of communication and nothing to support themselves. The only real option would be to hide and just give up.

 

Face it, the Enclave in it's entirety is dead. There is nothing left of it but old veterans hiding away hoping they don't get caught and arrested as war criminals by the superior forces.

 

America and the Enclave are dead.

You're not paying close attention to what I'm saying, but I can understand why. They wouldn't be the Enclave anymore. Some of them wouldn't change and would cower in a hole for the rest of their lives. However, others will recognize that their ship has sunk and if they don't want to drown, they better get out and make a new life. The Enclave is dead. That's for certain. Their members and some of their ideas can still live. Fear of assassination can stop many, but it won't stop everyone and that's something that can be seen IRL. You don't need plot armor to rise up from the ashes of something that failed spectacularly. Besides, it would be pretty interesting if there was a community or even a small nation lead by ex-Enclave with the idea of rebuilding America, but the good guys from previous games were out to get them because of their past even if they had been helping people. It brings up the moral dilemma of whether to treat someone based on their past or their more recent actions, even if what they did in the past was horrible.

[CyrusAmell]

Come now, I don't remember seeing children at any of the Enclave military bases we attacked. It was hardly a skeleton crew that attacked DC, if even half those men had families back at a secured location then that would be plenty to build off of.

 

Besides, even if they didn't have the numbers at the end to rebuild a stable population, they could always turn to... "alternative" methods of procreation. What about advanced cloning? We know the tech is in the Fallout Universe (the Gary Vault) and we know the Enclave is ruthless enough to use it if it felt threatened. If they found a placed to whole up and use such tech then we could be facing an army of clones of the guys we killed in Fallout 3.

[CiderMuffin]

Yes I can see it now "Fallout 4: rise of the terrible shoehorning in"

 

Enclave deserve to remain dead, give us something new not another shoehorned in faction that has been destroyed completely.

Edited June 28, 2016 by CiderMuffin

[RattleAndGrind]

Enclave. Brotherhood of Steel. Enclave. Brotherhood of Steel. Enclave. Brotherhood of Steel.

 

I have a wonderful idea. Let's lets go back to 2242 (before the NCR-Encalve War) and have the Enclave kill off the floundering Brotherhood of Steel. Then the NCR can kill off the Enclave in 2252.

 

Then we can debate something really important. Raiders vs Children of Atom.

 

Its a game. Not a Religion. In 100 years, nobody is going to give a ... ah ... fish.

 

From the History of the Brotherhood of Steel (canon)

 

"By 2242, the Brotherhood was no longer the power that they once were. And with the reemergence of the Enclave, they were no longer the most advanced organization in the wasteland. Knowing this, the Brotherhood was intimidated. Without the proper resources to deal with the Enclave, the best the Brotherhood could do was keep an eye on them"

 

From the History of the Enclave (canon)

 

"Enclave scientists and engineers stationed at Adams Air Force Base sent a reinforced combat-model eyebot, ED-E, to Navarro to be serviced and repaired there, seemingly uninformed of the assault on the outpost. ED-E's programming contained a message saying that any repairs needed on the way were to be made by Chicago Enclave personnel, indicating that there are Enclave outposts there. The Illinois license plate bolted to ED-E's side is just one more fact that supports the idea that other Enclave outposts or holdings still exist elsewhere within North American Wastelands."

Edited June 29, 2016 by RattleAndGrind

[CiderMuffin]

And as I pointed out earlier ED-E didn't make it to the chicago outposts, he arrived in Chicago sure but it wasn't the Enclave that repaired him but a waster whose son was engulfed in old holo-tapes of RALPHIE the Robot hence why ED-E's repairs are so shoddy and he has a license plate welded on him. If it was a Enclave base don't you think they would have the resources to repair him completely or known that Navarro was destroyed meaning they wouldn't have sent him to the west coast?

 

So due to that he did make it to Illinois but didn't go to the outposts where he would've gotten proper repairs we can theorize the Enclave there are destroyed otherwise we would've had any indication that ED-E met with the Enclave there yet we don't.

 

The better idea would just be to kill off the Enclave because at this point the fact that they're dead has more to them then any attempt to shoehorn them back in.

Edited June 29, 2016 by CiderMuffin

[RattleAndGrind]

yoyu

 

And as I pointed out earlier ED-E didn't make it to the chicago outposts, he arrived in Chicago sure but it wasn't the Enclave that repaired him but a waster whose son was engulfed in old holo-tapes of RALPHIE the Robot hence why ED-E's repairs are so shoddy and he has a license plate welded on him. If it was a Enclave base don't you think they would have the resources to repair him completely or known that Navarro was destroyed meaning they wouldn't have sent him to the west coast?

So due to that he did make it to Illinois but didn't go to the outposts where he would've gotten proper repairs we can theorize the Enclave there are destroyed otherwise we would've had any indication that ED-E met with the Enclave there yet we don't.

The better idea would just be to kill off the Enclave because at this point the fact that they're dead has more to them then any attempt to shoehorn them back in.

You can't argue with canon. And before you discard it, know that if you discard canon here, you must discard it everywhere. Canon is or canon is not. You may not have it both ways.

Edited June 30, 2016 by RattleAndGrind

[CiderMuffin]

yoyu

 

And as I pointed out earlier ED-E didn't make it to the chicago outposts, he arrived in Chicago sure but it wasn't the Enclave that repaired him but a waster whose son was engulfed in old holo-tapes of RALPHIE the Robot hence why ED-E's repairs are so shoddy and he has a license plate welded on him. If it was a Enclave base don't you think they would have the resources to repair him completely or known that Navarro was destroyed meaning they wouldn't have sent him to the west coast?

 

So due to that he did make it to Illinois but didn't go to the outposts where he would've gotten proper repairs we can theorize the Enclave there are destroyed otherwise we would've had any indication that ED-E met with the Enclave there yet we don't.

 

The better idea would just be to kill off the Enclave because at this point the fact that they're dead has more to them then any attempt to shoehorn them back in.

You can't argue with canon. And before you discard it, know that if you discard canon here, you must discard it everywhere. Canon is or canon is not. You may not have it both ways.

 

Ok but we can use evidence given to us to theorize something and we can accurately theorize that since ED-E never made it to the Chicago outposts but managed to make it to Illinois that the Enclave outposts there are gone. You can argue with certain parts of canon when enough evidence is brought up to make a claim that said piece could be no longer true.

 

ED-E made it to Illinois, ED-E was on a set route, ED-E was repaired by a waster and not Enclave, ED-E never met the Chicago outposts and nothing in terms of it's condition and records show that that it made it to the outpost thus outposts are most likely destroyed. Especially since the Mid-western BoS are still around according to numerous pieces of lore and the Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave are sworn enemies with the Mid-Western holding territory in Illinois so given all the facts and what we know it's more likely they're destroyed then alive.

 

The Brotherhood of Steel even has three bases around Lake Michigan which Chicago sits on. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel_(Midwest)

 

Given that what the Enclave had were outposts and not bases it wouldn't be hard for the Mid-western to wipe them out given they would see any activity from said bases.

 

Which would happen no matter what ending you get in Tactics. Even the bad karma ending the Brotherhood is still around and powerful

 

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Tactics_endings

 

It's also worth noting that the events of tactics happened in 2197, that's long enough to build an entire nation and we know they're still around because Caesar mentions he captured BoS scribes.

Edited June 30, 2016 by CiderMuffin

[RattleAndGrind]

 

yoyu

 

And as I pointed out earlier ED-E didn't make it to the chicago outposts, he arrived in Chicago sure but it wasn't the Enclave that repaired him but a waster whose son was engulfed in old holo-tapes of RALPHIE the Robot hence why ED-E's repairs are so shoddy and he has a license plate welded on him. If it was a Enclave base don't you think they would have the resources to repair him completely or known that Navarro was destroyed meaning they wouldn't have sent him to the west coast?

 

So due to that he did make it to Illinois but didn't go to the outposts where he would've gotten proper repairs we can theorize the Enclave there are destroyed otherwise we would've had any indication that ED-E met with the Enclave there yet we don't.

 

The better idea would just be to kill off the Enclave because at this point the fact that they're dead has more to them then any attempt to shoehorn them back in.

You can't argue with canon. And before you discard it, know that if you discard canon here, you must discard it everywhere. Canon is or canon is not. You may not have it both ways.

 

Ok but we can use evidence given to us to theorize something and we can accurately theorize that since ED-E never made it to the Chicago outposts but managed to make it to Illinois that the Enclave outposts there are gone. You can argue with certain parts of canon when enough evidence is brought up to make a claim that said piece could be no longer true.

 

ED-E made it to Illinois, ED-E was on a set route, ED-E was repaired by a waster and not Enclave, ED-E never met the Chicago outposts and nothing in terms of it's condition and records show that that it made it to the outpost thus outposts are most likely destroyed. Especially since the Mid-western BoS are still around according to numerous pieces of lore and the Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave are sworn enemies with the Mid-Western holding territory in Illinois so given all the facts and what we know it's more likely they're destroyed then alive.

 

The Brotherhood of Steel even has three bases around Lake Michigan which Chicago sits on. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel_(Midwest)

 

Given that what the Enclave had were outposts and not bases it wouldn't be hard for the Mid-western to wipe them out given they would see any activity from said bases.

 

Which would happen no matter what ending you get in Tactics. Even the bad karma ending the Brotherhood is still around and powerful

 

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Tactics_endings

 

It's also worth noting that the events of tactics happened in 2197, that's long enough to build an entire nation and we know they're still around because Caesar mentions he captured BoS scribes.

 

You have stated repeatedly that canon is the ultimate source; and that opinion and thinking and speculating mean nothing in the face of canon. By your own words, your opinion is meaningless; as canon is different than what you think. To paraphrase; that speculation is on you, buddy.

 

You have stated loudly and often that the Enclave is "Dead, dead, dead" and "dead as the Dodo". Canon says otherwise and you are the one that insists canon is the ultimate arbitrator.

 

This thread is titled "Enclave DLC", not "Brotherhood of Steel DLC". Shouting the praises of the BoS is just a noisome distraction and not germane to a discussion of a Enclave DCL.

Edited June 30, 2016 by RattleAndGrind