I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing

[JaYmZeE311074]

JaYmZeE311074, you lost me at "The system is the problem - the role humans play within it is the miplaced believe that the system cannot be changed."

 

The "system" is a nebulous none entity which does not really exist. Why, because the system is the people and the people are the system. So people are the problem and people are the solution. The challenge is to figure how to convince people to self modify their behavior to affect the overall behavior of the rest of humanity, in some sort of ripple effect. Some kind of "Changing the World Starts With Me" campaign, based on the "I can only change me" philosophy. (Where have I heard that before?) :D

Yeah - I got lost at the why do I even bother......

 

The only system I'm giving a dren about at the moment is the one or two I'm using in Football Manager at the moment - control for home games and counter for away............

[Fatalmasterpiece]

When the BLM folks start protesting black on black crime, and not just when white cops shoot blacks, then I might give them some credit, until then... Nope.

This is idiotic. Protests are meant to show a sign of solidarity against an institutionalized wrong. Black on black crime is not institutionalized. Black on black crime is symptomatic of the poverty and injustice which black people have faced for 300 years in the United States. You don't stop black on black crime my protesting other black people, you stop it by enriching your community and improving those people's lives who resort to violence. White police officer's lives do not need to be improved. You stop white on black crime by protesting against those committing it, namely, the government ei white people ei police officers.

 

Hey You are you being a typical privileged white person with that comment.

[kvnchrist]

 

When the BLM folks start protesting black on black crime, and not just when white cops shoot blacks, then I might give them some credit, until then... Nope.

This is idiotic. Protests are meant to show a sign of solidarity against an institutionalized wrong. Black on black crime is not institutionalized. Black on black crime is symptomatic of the poverty and injustice which black people have faced for 300 years in the United States. You don't stop black on black crime my protesting other black people, you stop it by enriching your community and improving those people's lives who resort to violence. White police officer's lives do not need to be improved. You stop white on black crime by protesting against those committing it, namely, the government ei white people ei police officers.

 

Hey You are you being a typical privileged white person with that comment.

 

It's not idiotic to not follow the party line on social development. I don't know about you, but I've lived my life around black people. I went to a grade school called Abboot, which has sence been torn down and a NorthWest high school down on Parrellel street. There were 1st to 6th grade in Abbott and there was my brother and I as well as one girl who was white in the entire school of black kids and I'm really tired of people coming up with the idea that black on black crime is anything more than assholes targeting those who are easily accessible and that is those within there own community. These are thugs out there who are out there, not because they have little choice, but because they have chossen to live that sort of a life.

 

You do stop black on black crime by standing up to those people and in order to do that they need guns and that is just exactly what they don't have under the laws of these cities. This is a type of protest, but it takes that protest to those thugs, dirrectly and iit shuts them down.

 

Since the population can't stand up to these thugs, the plice have to do that, which creates an either/or situation that brings these police shootings into posibility.

 

Communities need to be able to police up themselves in order for crime to be dealt with effectively, especially when there is a huge population involved.

[HeyYou]

 

When the BLM folks start protesting black on black crime, and not just when white cops shoot blacks, then I might give them some credit, until then... Nope.

This is idiotic. Protests are meant to show a sign of solidarity against an institutionalized wrong. Black on black crime is not institutionalized. Black on black crime is symptomatic of the poverty and injustice which black people have faced for 300 years in the United States. You don't stop black on black crime my protesting other black people, you stop it by enriching your community and improving those people's lives who resort to violence. White police officer's lives do not need to be improved. You stop white on black crime by protesting against those committing it, namely, the government ei white people ei police officers.

 

Hey You are you being a typical privileged white person with that comment.

 

LOLOLOL. Right.

 

BLM gets all up in arms when a black person is killed by a cop. Doesn't matter what color the cop is. Doesn't matter that the person killed has a criminal record longer than your arm, or that the black person posed a real threat to the officer pulling the trigger. The 'victim' is always portrayed as some misunderstood angel that was victimized by 'the man'. What an utter load of bull feces. I am REAL curious how it is 'wrong' for a cop to defend himself, when he feels his life is threatened.

 

And the whole thing about 'poverty and injustice' for the last 300 years is just another excuse for the poor behavior exhibited by the black community. 74% of children born out of wedlock. Multiple kids by different fathers. Etc. Etc. etc. The black community is its own worst enemy. Unless/Until the black community addresses their "cultural" problems, nothing is going to change.

[kvnchrist]

 

 

When the BLM folks start protesting black on black crime, and not just when white cops shoot blacks, then I might give them some credit, until then... Nope.

This is idiotic. Protests are meant to show a sign of solidarity against an institutionalized wrong. Black on black crime is not institutionalized. Black on black crime is symptomatic of the poverty and injustice which black people have faced for 300 years in the United States. You don't stop black on black crime my protesting other black people, you stop it by enriching your community and improving those people's lives who resort to violence. White police officer's lives do not need to be improved. You stop white on black crime by protesting against those committing it, namely, the government ei white people ei police officers.

 

Hey You are you being a typical privileged white person with that comment.

 

LOLOLOL. Right.

 

BLM gets all up in arms when a black person is killed by a cop. Doesn't matter what color the cop is. Doesn't matter that the person killed has a criminal record longer than your arm, or that the black person posed a real threat to the officer pulling the trigger. The 'victim' is always portrayed as some misunderstood angel that was victimized by 'the man'. What an utter load of bull feces. I am REAL curious how it is 'wrong' for a cop to defend himself, when he feels his life is threatened.

 

And the whole thing about 'poverty and injustice' for the last 300 years is just another excuse for the poor behavior exhibited by the black community. 74% of children born out of wedlock. Multiple kids by different fathers. Etc. Etc. etc. The black community is its own worst enemy. Unless/Until the black community addresses their "cultural" problems, nothing is going to change.

 

II doubt very seriously if BLM exists past the presidential election, no matter who gets in. I don't think it is social. I think it is political.

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

When the BLM folks start protesting black on black crime, and not just when white cops shoot blacks, then I might give them some credit, until then... Nope.

This is idiotic. Protests are meant to show a sign of solidarity against an institutionalized wrong. Black on black crime is not institutionalized. Black on black crime is symptomatic of the poverty and injustice which black people have faced for 300 years in the United States. You don't stop black on black crime my protesting other black people, you stop it by enriching your community and improving those people's lives who resort to violence. White police officer's lives do not need to be improved. You stop white on black crime by protesting against those committing it, namely, the government ei white people ei police officers.

 

Hey You are you being a typical privileged white person with that comment.

 

LOLOLOL. Right.

 

BLM gets all up in arms when a black person is killed by a cop. Doesn't matter what color the cop is. Doesn't matter that the person killed has a criminal record longer than your arm, or that the black person posed a real threat to the officer pulling the trigger. The 'victim' is always portrayed as some misunderstood angel that was victimized by 'the man'. What an utter load of bull feces. I am REAL curious how it is 'wrong' for a cop to defend himself, when he feels his life is threatened.

 

And the whole thing about 'poverty and injustice' for the last 300 years is just another excuse for the poor behavior exhibited by the black community. 74% of children born out of wedlock. Multiple kids by different fathers. Etc. Etc. etc. The black community is its own worst enemy. Unless/Until the black community addresses their "cultural" problems, nothing is going to change.

 

II doubt very seriously if BLM exists past the presidential election, no matter who gets in. I don't think it is social. I think it is political.

 

I don't know..... there is an opportunity there for some folks to make money.... so, while it may be a purely political thing to begin with, I suspect it may evolve into something more......

[kvnchrist]

 

 

 

 

When the BLM folks start protesting black on black crime, and not just when white cops shoot blacks, then I might give them some credit, until then... Nope.

This is idiotic. Protests are meant to show a sign of solidarity against an institutionalized wrong. Black on black crime is not institutionalized. Black on black crime is symptomatic of the poverty and injustice which black people have faced for 300 years in the United States. You don't stop black on black crime my protesting other black people, you stop it by enriching your community and improving those people's lives who resort to violence. White police officer's lives do not need to be improved. You stop white on black crime by protesting against those committing it, namely, the government ei white people ei police officers.

 

Hey You are you being a typical privileged white person with that comment.

 

LOLOLOL. Right.

 

BLM gets all up in arms when a black person is killed by a cop. Doesn't matter what color the cop is. Doesn't matter that the person killed has a criminal record longer than your arm, or that the black person posed a real threat to the officer pulling the trigger. The 'victim' is always portrayed as some misunderstood angel that was victimized by 'the man'. What an utter load of bull feces. I am REAL curious how it is 'wrong' for a cop to defend himself, when he feels his life is threatened.

 

And the whole thing about 'poverty and injustice' for the last 300 years is just another excuse for the poor behavior exhibited by the black community. 74% of children born out of wedlock. Multiple kids by different fathers. Etc. Etc. etc. The black community is its own worst enemy. Unless/Until the black community addresses their "cultural" problems, nothing is going to change.

 

II doubt very seriously if BLM exists past the presidential election, no matter who gets in. I don't think it is social. I think it is political.

 

I don't know..... there is an opportunity there for some folks to make money.... so, while it may be a purely political thing to begin with, I suspect it may evolve into something more......

 

Have you forgotten that there is more money into and out from politics than any other entity other than religion. Politics is synonymous with money. Playing the lotto and playing politics have a lot in common,

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

 

 

When the BLM folks start protesting black on black crime, and not just when white cops shoot blacks, then I might give them some credit, until then... Nope.

This is idiotic. Protests are meant to show a sign of solidarity against an institutionalized wrong. Black on black crime is not institutionalized. Black on black crime is symptomatic of the poverty and injustice which black people have faced for 300 years in the United States. You don't stop black on black crime my protesting other black people, you stop it by enriching your community and improving those people's lives who resort to violence. White police officer's lives do not need to be improved. You stop white on black crime by protesting against those committing it, namely, the government ei white people ei police officers.

 

Hey You are you being a typical privileged white person with that comment.

 

LOLOLOL. Right.

 

BLM gets all up in arms when a black person is killed by a cop. Doesn't matter what color the cop is. Doesn't matter that the person killed has a criminal record longer than your arm, or that the black person posed a real threat to the officer pulling the trigger. The 'victim' is always portrayed as some misunderstood angel that was victimized by 'the man'. What an utter load of bull feces. I am REAL curious how it is 'wrong' for a cop to defend himself, when he feels his life is threatened.

 

And the whole thing about 'poverty and injustice' for the last 300 years is just another excuse for the poor behavior exhibited by the black community. 74% of children born out of wedlock. Multiple kids by different fathers. Etc. Etc. etc. The black community is its own worst enemy. Unless/Until the black community addresses their "cultural" problems, nothing is going to change.

 

II doubt very seriously if BLM exists past the presidential election, no matter who gets in. I don't think it is social. I think it is political.

 

I don't know..... there is an opportunity there for some folks to make money.... so, while it may be a purely political thing to begin with, I suspect it may evolve into something more......

 

Have you forgotten that there is more money into and out from politics than any other entity other than religion. Politics is synonymous with money. Playing the lotto and playing politics have a lot in common,

 

LOLOL. Ain't that the truth. :D

[sunshinenbrick]

The scars of slavery run forever deep into American culture and history. Europe and Africa as well for that matter, and institutionalised racism towards 'non-white communities' is still rampant in these places too. It's all perfectly 'legal', subtle and passive... but that is what is meant by 'institutionalised' - it is difficult to pin down.

 

Of course over many many decades the whole thing has transformed and taken on a life of its own and the statistics and data all point to convenient truths... again this is what is meant by it being 'institutionalised' - it is, perhaps even unintentionally, rigged so that the sheer probability makes it privileged for some and more difficult for others. This isn't unique to race, but is certainly affected by it.

 

Going in all guns blazing, as has been discussed, would not solve the issue because it would create a whole new, even bigger, one. Just look at the middle east... it's a pretty poignant parallel in some ways - you have something we want, manpower/resources/money, we don't want to share or give up our 'entitlements', and so by hook or by crook we are going to get it. Some of the biggest and most prolific 'thugs' in our world are also among the most prosperous and powerful (and probably not African American...). Perhaps we all know this and know how helpless it is so therefore target the people around us who we can. It's like the psychology thought experiment where the father/mother hits the older child who hits the younger child, who kicks the cat. It's also actually a bit like the end of The Beach where they know if they pull the trigger they have failed and the whole dream is over.

 

... So is there any solution? I think their is, but governments and corporations are going to have to come clean about a lot of stuff and take responsibility for creating a more just and equal society. Stop lying to people and give them honest truths so that more co-operative and common objectives and economies can be created. Truly living 'within our means' and in respect of other beings and the planet.

 

Pfft... but that all likely sounds like just too much hard work for most ordinary folk, and those who have already 'inherited the earth' (and probably anything else we colonise should we get the chance) are not going to give up their 'god-like' status any time soon without species threatening levels of war. A world-wide uprising would have unpredictable results too so is perhaps not even worth the risk.

 

I do maintain some faith though, however difficult and bleak it seems a lot of the time. I believe that slowly (and accepting the inevitability of violence) we will make progress to bring people and communities together while maintaining the wonderful variety and flavours of culture which make us different and creative. For example, I think that in the case of communities run by gangs (which by the way happen within ALL societies and may not have the traditional 'Police Camera Action' style stereotypes - take the sorority college institutions or yeah.. the police, which operate much like gangs), a lot could be done to actually improve these people's lives and create jobs, a role within society, and the economy as a whole. They probably 'do' such things already, although probably half-hearted and semi tongue-in-cheek. It is slow and it is not going to be easy for either side, but I do think it is this... or bust.

 

The last and only other 'option', is an international (world) war directed by the government in which people have to overcome their differences... or lose. However, coupling what I said earlier about those whom already 'own' us, with the fact that any large altercation with the USA would bring us all to the brink, it will certainly not be these communities or any other of the majority of communities we supposedly care so much about that will gain anything from such events - more likely they will be largely wiped out to be replaced with a new wave of indoctrinated generations that are ever more out of touch with who they are or where they come from.

[HeyYou]

There is no external force that is going to solve anything for those that are unwilling to help themselves, or change what is wrong within their own communities. We have demonstrated this over and over again, but still, our politicians seem to think it is a good idea........ Change MUST start from within the communities themselves, else, any effort applied by an outside force is just a waste of time/effort/money.