Did you kill Paarthurnax?

[elvinkun]

Way too deep and cool character to be killed just "because he is". Probably also the only being in the world who can make dragons and everyone else coexist in relative peace in the future. Kill Paar, you have to kill ALL dragons after. And that's undoubtably a bad thing to do. Very similar idea to wiping all mer because of the Thalmor.

[billyro]

Paarthurnax's voice annoyed me for some reason. I struggled to hear him over the loud wind. Still, there was no way I was going to kill him.

 

When Delphine said I had to kill him, I said "No, how about I kill you?!" But sadly she was essential. :(

Thinking about using those console commands and have some fun... although using fus roh dah on Delphine while she stands outside of Skyhaven is an excellent idea... :yes:

[Arcadiast]

Skyrim is a open World game and you are relatively free to choose your path (at least you should be). Lets keep that in mind.

 

So Paarthurnax is a Dragon and as we all know Dragons have a "desire" to rule everything. They love Power and when they are able to gain Power, they need enormous discipline to "hold back". Ähm...so how are they different from Humans?

 

Lets look at some "real" History. Whe have short guys invading Russia, we have guys with ridiculous Moustaches invading Russia, we have guys invading Europe and killing everything in their path just to leave again, we have guys who get so angry at a whole Nation that they literally wipe them out the face of the earth (Rome - Carthago) and this list goes on and on....really, we are worse than Dragons. Sorry Miss "I am essential you cant kill me" Delphine but you have no argument here.

 

As far as I am concerned, I am at least half Dragon so Paarthurnax is actually my kin. He teaches me Words and the ability to strenghten them. What did Miss Delphine do? Oh yes....she stole my Horn.

 

It is simple logic that I leave a Dragon from which I benefit so much alive. Shame that I cant tell them "Blades" to show it up somewhere, when they ask me to kill him. Shame that I cant strangle that old Guy Blade, whose name I dont remember and dont even care, with Delphines entrails or the other way around for the utter disrespect of asking the DRAGONborn to do such a despicable, disgusting and insulting task.

 

All hail the Dragons...my future minions! har har har (that is supposed to be an Evil laugh by the way).

 

P.S. this text is of course not to be taken too seriously!

[MagusShade]

After the game ends Parthurnax flies off to unite the dragons under him...

 

I think that they should have made it so that after he flies off, he never returns to the mountain top, and all the dragons become ridiculously more powerful or something...

 

Because the way it is now, Paarthurnax proves himself by helping you defeat Alduin, and the blades haven't proven themselves at all, and just seem like a fanatical dragon killing cult.

 

Esbern: "I refuse to help you anymore unless you Kill Paarthurax."

 

Me : "Oh? So if I kill Paarthurax you will continue where the greybeards left off and continue to teach me to make things explode by shouting at them?"

 

Esberm: "well...no..."

 

Me: "FUS RO DAH!"

[ProficientZ]

So i'm really hoping i'm not the first to notice this, But after dumping countless thousands of hour's (YES THATS THOUSAND'S) into TES game's I like to think I have a decent amount of knowledge. Considering I jumped on the TES bandwagon around the time of the release of Morrowind.

 

Anyway back to my point I have noticed that the TES game's I have played all seem to revolve around some type of betrayal now who the betrayer/betrayed are remains to be seen.

 

(For those of you have any intention of playing Morrowind this will most likely be a spoiler for you.)

But if I recall correctly Dagoth Ur attempt's to talk you into seeing his point of view/take his side which he had some pretty convincing point's if I remember correctly.

 

(Oblivion same as with Morrowind if you haven't played Oblivion and you have the intention to be forewarned possible spoiler's)

Again Camoran speak's some pretty... Realistic stuff as far as the fact that Deadric Prince's make themselves more personal than the 9.

 

Now on to Skyrim,

 

1st. Paarthurnax knew Alduin would return and he knew where Alduin would return to. Why would he the weaker of the two attempt to rise to power only for the Blade's to hunt him down, Or for Alduin to return pissed off that Paarthurnax had betrayed him?

 

2ed. Paarthurnax said he waited there for a reason but never went into detail about it.

 

3rd. according to Paarthurnax Alduin was gifted with a slightly more powerful Thu'um, Due to him being the first born.

 

4th. Paathurnax had been meditating on word's of power ever since Alduin's banishment. (When the Dragonborn meditate's on word's of power it make's his/her Thu'um stronger.)

 

5th. Paarthurnax only rebelled because other dragon's had begun to rebel as well.

 

6th. Why didn't Alduin destroy Paarthurnax when he returned for helping mortal's to banish him?

 

7th. Paarthurnax DID NOT CREATE THE DRAGONBORN Paarthurnax only taught average mortal's the way of the voice. People like Jurgen Windcaller.

 

8th. On all my save's on different device's after Paarthurnax flies away, To try and talk sense into the other Dova I never see him again.(This may just be a bug i'm not sure.) And to be clear the dragon that can been seen flying around the throat of the mountain is Odahviing NOT Paarthurnax.

 

My conclusion as much as I despise that old hag Delphine I have to side with the Blade's first of all the Blade's goal ISN'T to hunt all dragon's to extinction, Had that been the case do you think that Odahviing would be allowed to live? I'm pretty sure that there would have been a quest to lure him to Sky Haven Temple to be executed.

 

Now Todd Howard said that there would be ONE dragon that would be your ally. (He also said there wasn't going to be werewolves. But that was more of a surprise lol) So since Odahviing always come's when called and (as far as I know) Paarthurnax pull's a Houdini and disappear's.

 

Not to mention the fact that Odahviing tell's you that Dova follow Alduin because his Thu'um is so strong. Meaning whatever Dova has the strongest Thu'um they will follow.

 

I believe that Paarthurnax will go and "talk sense" to the other Dova, But it won't be for the better of Mortal's that's for sure. Beside's the Thalmor have hunted the Blades to Near extinction and you are given the chance to "rebuild" there Order, Yes Only 4 new recruit's I know but do you honestly think that's going to be the end of it? The Thalmor have the Hammerfell resistance to worry about they want the Skyrim Civil war to continue to occupy the Empire and to weaken it. So the Empire wont have the strength to break the White-Gold Concordet.

 

My DLC Prediction:

1st. Revival of the Blade's and Rebellion against the White-Gold Concordat.

2ed. Something to do with the Phsjiic Order, Also enemies of the Thalmor.

3rd. Idk Horse armor. Lol Jokingly I have no idea. Maybe the rebirth of The Dark Brotherhood???

4th. When the truth dawns it dawns in fire. (There's only THREE FLAME DRAGON'S Alduin, Paarthurnax and Odahviing.

 

So that concludes my reason's for killing Paarthurnax and some assorted theory's lol If you got this far in reading this I salute you.

[Cyrotek]

So that concludes my reason's for killing Paarthurnax and some assorted theory's lol If you got this far in reading this I salute you.

 

Your only problem with the theory: Paarthurnax is part of a killquest. So you can kill him in vanilla, how u want to build a DLC around him if hes death? Also, as far as i remember, not a single character that got a optional killquest for him, showed up after that again. So i dont think that he will show up again in any dlc, addon or game after vanilla skyrim. Too bad.

[luxwing0go]

Paarthurnax? He's the coolest guy in the game - no way I could kill him!

 

Besides, why would anyone want to kill Mario? :ohdear:

[ProficientZ]

So that concludes my reason's for killing Paarthurnax and some assorted theory's lol If you got this far in reading this I salute you.

 

Your only problem with the theory: Paarthurnax is part of a killquest. So you can kill him in vanilla, how u want to build a DLC around him if hes death? Also, as far as i remember, not a single character that got a optional killquest for him, showed up after that again. So i dont think that he will show up again in any dlc, addon or game after vanilla skyrim. Too bad.

 

First of all I'm not saying that's how it's going to be, furthermore I'm in now way saying your wrong I'm only saying this is what my THEORY IS.

 

Anyway I'm pretty sure that Paarthurnax State's that Dragons have there own version of Sovngarde beside's it wouldn't be the first time something came back to life after being killed.... Point's finger at Skyrim's very own quest The Wolf Queen Awakened.

 

In all honesty I highly doubt that they would bring Paarthurnax back in a DLC, That being said I still find it hard to believe that Alduin who was betrayed by Paarthurnax and later escaped the time warp practically right next to Paarthurnax himself didn't just kill him right there and then.

 

My point being why give you a quest with the soul purpose to kill someone/something that helped you without there being a solid reason behind it. I mean in my mind that's like if they gave you the opportunity of killing Jauffre just because he didn't tell Martin that he was a Septim....

 

Who really know's what the DLC's are going to be or whether or not were going to regret killing/not killing Paarthurnax I do know this for certain I will buy every last Skyrim DLC just as I did with Oblivion/Morrowind, As well as the Fallout series. I mean the fact that we are all sitting her contemplating whether or not we should kill him should be a testament to Bethesda for even including the option. Even if we have no idea of what the consequence's or lack there of actually are.

[MidbossVyers]

Well, while Paarthurnax and Alduin are enemies, chances are they would hesitate when fighting each other directly because, well, they at least have decency as brothers.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Paarthurnax doesn't really stand a chance against Alduin- you can plainly see the guy's long past his prime. Alduin was always the stronger brother- when the events of the game happen, Alduin emerges still young and strong, whereas Paarthurnax has been in isolation in some pretty extreme conditions for thousands of years. If the two did meet face-to-face when Alduin emerged from the time wound, chances are pretty good that Alduin told Paarthurnax to stay the eff out of his way. What's the use in fighting a pacifist old man who only used to be strong when you know you're the indestructible destroyer of worlds? Alduin is nothing if not an arrogant prick. He is aware of your doings as of the confrontation at the burial mound, but rather than chomp on you and be done with it while you're still weak (and while he has backup) he just laughs and flies away- he ignores you from that point until he's forced by your use of the Elder Scroll to conclude that you can threaten his plans. Paarthurnax could not face him before; Alduin would not consider his brother a legitimate threat unless Paarthurnax stuck his face in the possibility of defeat.

 

Paarthurnax was also aware of the prophecy about Alduin and the last Dovahkiin; he says as much to you. He wasn't waiting up on that mountain for Alduin to return, he was waiting for the Dovahkiin- for you. He knew he wouldn't be able to defeat Alduin, so he sat around and meditated and waited for the one person who could. Whether or not he knew who that would be- that's more than likely why the Greybeards exist. He needed a prominent front so that any Dovahkiin would be drawn to him for training as weapons against Alduin's eventual return. He does say that he knew where Alduin would emerge, but not when. What other purpose would there be in training mortals to use the voice when only a bare handful of dragons were alive in the whole of the world? Why would he keep giving mortals, some of them quite powerful indeed (and one who became an effing god), weapons they might turn against him if he intended to confront Alduin himself?

 

To kill Alduin and usurp his position, Paarthurnax would need a weapon more powerful than Alduin; he could not be that weapon himself as he knew he was no match for his brother. It follows that he'd be no match for anyone who could defeat his brother, so I consider it unlikely that someone as intelligent as Paarthurnax would deliberately create such a weapon if he had any treachery planned. He then helps you recover knowledge of Dragonrend, which is a Shout he can't even comprehend let alone counter. Only a monumentally stupid villain, or a supremely arrogant one (such as Alduin) would arm a future opponent with something like that. Mortals can give their knowledge of Shouts to other mortals, so it isn't even as though he could simply wait until you died of old age- he'd have to contend with the possibility that you would pass knowledge of the Shout on to other mortals, ensuring that its knowledge was not lost again. Paarthurnax just isn't that dumb. If he wanted to take over, the time to do it was thousands of years ago when the Dragonrend Shout had only just been lost and forgotten- long before the Akaviri came with the Blades and slew most of the dragons, when some of the dragons still followed him. He must have had a window of opportunity hundreds of years long; all it would have taken is a well-timed attack while the mortals were busy fighting one of their innumerable wars.

 

Once again, the strongest proof that Paarthurnax isn't evil lies in all that he hasn't done.

 

Or, for an alternate explanation, consider that Paarthurnax is rather badly torn up. There are many ways that could have happened, and personally I think it's just that he's been living in that harsh environment for so damned long... but it is also entirely possible that he got so badly wounded precisely because he tried to face Alduin directly and failed to best him.