Did you kill Paarthurnax?

[Cobwebmaster]

i wish there was a way to say "i do not need either of you two" after you get the elder scroll and get to that point.

 

You have come to the crux of the matter. Skyrim is short of options for all of it's quests big or small. Many 1st person RPG games now (eg Witcher) have options from which there are consequences depending on your choice(s). That's about the only thing that annoys me about skyrim you can't tell anyone to go boil their head and have the quest drop off your to do list. Does the dragonborn really need the Blades (apart from an academic point of view?) he doesn't rerally need either them or the Greybeards but at least the grey ones allow him to discover and determine his own destiny. As someone has already stated, Tiber Septim didn't fully trust the blades and only used them as and when necessary. I'd like the option to tell Delphine to go gnaw at the end of her failed plots somewhere else from our first chat and another route to Alduin's wall. After that the blades become superfluous anyway apart from old Esbern who is a font of knowledge which you could if necessary do without

[FrankLeeDeRainged]

Only half way through the first play of the first time I every played an Elder Scrolls game, Oh yea, I'm impressed as hell but there's no way Im killing Paarthunaax without him giving me cause to. Which he hasn't!

 

The Blades however have been a serious pain. I went through that rigmarole at the embessy on one of whats-her-faces predjudices and she was wrong! I went and rescued the old man from that pest hole, and a word of thanks?. . . No just slide off and fetch some followers to build up their numbers. Any thanks? No Delfine just whines about training them, well the Blades can sit in the stronghold - I - got them and nurse their predjudices till they rot.

 

I've read ahead a little about the peace conference and if I do that route and Delfine turns up and starts badmouthing her elders then she gets shouted off the side of the mountain. . . If she learns to fly before hitting the ground, fine.

Edited August 14, 2012 by FrankLeeDeRainged

[Hoamaii]

Wow, over 250,000 views for this topic and I managed to miss it?.. I enjoyed your comments a lot, guys.

 

I didn't kill Paarthurnax in my first playthrough, and certainly will not kill him either in this one (level 68 without ever completing any faction or even started the main quest, hehe... slow process to get to level 81 this way tho'). Why? Paarthurnax helped me a lot and he makes a pretty entertaining character, whereas Delphine and Esbern are just revengeful, narrow-minded, flat pains in the middle part of my one-piece, neck-to-ankles, bulky, heavy armor (I play a male character... sigh... What ever possessed me?)

 

I very much agree with Cobwebmaster, up here, about Skyrim quests being short of options - and that's pretty much why I enjoy it all the more using mods to change my gameplay now rather than puttering my way along unrewarding quests...

 

But if I were Bethesda, I'd probably think like Henry Ford "I don't care what they say as long as they're talking about me!.." Hehe... ;)

[Murietta]

Aye, I killed him, because I joined to Blades and didn't want to disappoint them. Also I'm dislike guys, who live in High Hrothgar: they are too boring and lazy, they can't use their power of the Shout, they don't wanna help people of Skyrim.

Aye, I'm agree that this Paarthurnax helped to Nords in past. But he is a dragon! And this means that Dragonborn can't trust to him.

What if Paarthurnax lift a revolt? If so, it will be not simple to overcome him.

[Hoamaii]

Aye, I'm agree that this Paarthurnax helped to Nords in past. But he is a dragon! And this means that Dragonborn can't trust to him.

 

I kindly have to disagree with you, Murietta. In real life or in imaginary worlds, what makes "people" good or bad, trustable or not, is not what they are, only what they do.

 

PS. Edit to my previous post: mistake on my part :facepalm: , Oscar Wilde said "I don't care what they say about me as long as they're talking about me". What Henry Ford said was: "I'll give the American people the car color they want as long as it is black". (Pretty similar in attitude).

[Aliera Caine]

Lol, Hoamaii! We certainly are talking about Bethesda! And I do agree that actions can used as evidence of character. Murietta also brings up a good point that the Greybeards' lack of action on behalf of Skyrim or the world at large is at the very least disappointing. All that power and they have no idea what to do with it. That's where the Dragonborn comes in...a larger than life person of action with a list of good deeds and/or criminal acts, destined to make a mark upon Skyrim (as far as Bethesda quests will allow). And as far as trusting a dragon...one may or may not believe that Paarthurnax has changed from the dragon that once followed Alduin, but humans break trust all the time. So I would not hold that being a dragon is reason enough for distrust.

For my two cents, Paarthurnax is innocent of crimes in this age and his death benefits no one, not even the so-called Blades. Since he is your mentor and obviously wishes you well, the scales weigh in his favor.

[Flipout6]

After the main quest, I actually tried killing Delphine and Esbern for even suggesting such a thing, only to find that they were essential -.-

[StayFrosty05]

After the main quest, I actually tried killing Delphine and Esbern for even suggesting such a thing, only to find that they were essential -.-

 

That's what the console is for..... :devil: .....I have already done that with the TG....marked them all as non-essential, console unlocked the Cistern door and wiped them all out....was quite a battle and a whole lot of fun.... :biggrin:

 

My Dragonborn roared Delphine down and put her in her place verbally on this run (a mod)....though I may go for the kill next game.

Edited August 24, 2012 by StayFrosty05

[daventry]

I killed them just fine without the Console after the MQ, because they become killable then.

 

If we are forced to Murder Paarthurnax and get kicked out by the Greybeards since i assumed the Dawnguard DLC would have some kind of Choice not to Murder Par, i have a feeling the Blades might have a story in a Future DLC, hence Bethesda force our hand and let the Kabal Blades live.

 

Theres No Worse Deadra/Aedra then the Blades, they give you no choice but do as your told.

[ToAruShiroiNeko]

I honestly hope the canon will let Paarthurnax and Blades live. Blades are an interesting bunch from Oblivion era. Dragons cannot be really killed as after all Alduin was able to resurrect them. This could very well be a quest in a DLC should you chose to kill him. Dawnguard lets you purchase the elder scroll back if you sold it for example.

 

Blade(s) before I met them...

 

First off, there were only two of them. The intro of Oblivion had more blades in it than entire Skyrim.

 

Delphine, pretending to be an inn keeper hiding in fear of her life keeping a low profile. She was so loyal to her oath that she had completely abandoned the idea of supporting and protecting the Dragonborn in an end of the world situation. Really smooth. Remove Delphine from the picture and all you would remove from the plot is the dragonstone (which wasn't even vital). She trolls you by stealing the object from that dungeon before you can retrieve it merely to waste your time. After all this feat wasn't enough to convince her and she required you to kill a dragon in front of her. She is overall not very supportive nor helpful.

 

Esbern, was hiding deep in the ratway behind a well locked door probably fearing a Thalmor assassination more than anything. He leads you to the sky haven temple and points you towards Dragonrend. He actually does help as he utters the name of Odahviing for his capture though he is not the only source for this info. He is a scholar and not much of a fighter and has a supportive role. Esbern is annoying due to game design where he and quests relating to him are buggy.

 

Before my involvement neither had much of a future. They had more than abandoned their oaths and even hope. Without me they would not even have access to sky haven temple even if they were able to find it. Without me they would not even have recruits (why only three, really?). So when they arrogantly order me around, I am less than receptive.

 

This rises an interesting question though, how did the blades learn about Paarthurnax? According to Paarthurnax at least until 100 years ago he had visitors. Since blades fell from power ~30 years ago after the war, they had since the dragon war to learn about Paarthurnax ie thousands of years. I doubt one of the graybeards told them and I doubt they can climb the mountain.