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We are saying that the detailed sliders to deal with width, depth and height of various facial features, that were present in Oblivion, are simply not available in Skyrim, which means we are railroaded into a set of presets that we don't care for. Speak for yourself, I did fine with the Oblivion face sliders and some manouvres in the CS (and modified head meshes) to create some different looking features.

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You might as well be saying we were railroaded because <insert game> had X features, and Skyrim didn't.

 

comparing the games in one manner is one thing... saying you were ripped off because features that never existed in the game, don't exist, doesn't make any sense.

 

It's fine to have wanted more options, it's fine to not like the elves, It's fine to not like skyrim, but it's a bit over the top to be mooing on about how they are wrong you are right, it's missing features, When you are lead character artist or the art director then you might be entitled to something more than an opinion. Until then, no there are no missing chargen options, and Beth didn't mess up the elves.

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All people want is more options, hardly a strange position to take on a modding site. Skyrims chargen options are woeful, you can't do much with a few pre built parts, it's like playing with Mr Potato Head.
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We are saying that the detailed sliders to deal with width, depth and height of various facial features, that were present in Oblivion, are simply not available in Skyrim, which means we are railroaded into a set of presets that we don't care for. Speak for yourself, I did fine with the Oblivion face sliders and some manouvres in the CS (and modified head meshes) to create some different looking features.

This :)

You might as well be saying we were railroaded because <insert game> had X features, and Skyrim didn't.

 

comparing the games in one manner is one thing... saying you were ripped off because features that never existed in the game, don't exist, doesn't make any sense.

 

It's fine to have wanted more options, it's fine to not like the elves, It's fine to not like skyrim, but it's a bit over the top to be mooing on about how they are wrong you are right, it's missing features, When you are lead character artist or the art director then you might be entitled to something more than an opinion. Until then, no there are no missing chargen options, and Beth didn't mess up the elves.

Your opinion, dont push it upon me.

 

Also i never said anything about them being wrong...you are pulling one excuse after another just so you can justify whatever you want.

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All people want is more options, hardly a strange position to take on a modding site. Skyrims chargen options are woeful, you can't do much with a few pre built parts, it's like playing with Mr Potato Head.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for more options, yeah I'm not really impressed with the Skyrim Chargen. I'm just not entitled to them like some other people...

 

@pavy. Sorry then, I take it back.... you are not entitled to an opinion...?

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All people want is more options, hardly a strange position to take on a modding site. Skyrims chargen options are woeful, you can't do much with a few pre built parts, it's like playing with Mr Potato Head.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for more options, yeah I'm not really impressed with the Skyrim Chargen. I'm just not entitled to them like some other people...

 

@pavy. Sorry then, I take it back.... you are not entitled to an opinion...?

We are all, but im getting tired that while we are talking about simple features we miss, becouse this is a discussion, we are getting bashed all the time with post filled with excuses...im all up for a good discussion about pros and cons but pro people are being aggresive towards anyone who disagrees (not speaking about you, but since you qouted me and i have never said bethesda is wrong i take it as another excuse).

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All people want is more options, hardly a strange position to take on a modding site. Skyrims chargen options are woeful, you can't do much with a few pre built parts, it's like playing with Mr Potato Head.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for more options, yeah I'm not really impressed with the Skyrim Chargen. I'm just not entitled to them like some other people...

 

@pavy. Sorry then, I take it back.... you are not entitled to an opinion...?

We are all, but im getting tired that while we are talking about simple features we miss, becouse this is a discussion, we are getting bashed all the time with post filled with excuses...im all up for a good discussion about pros and cons but pro people are being aggresive towards anyone who disagrees (not speaking about you, but since you qouted me and i have never said bethesda is wrong i take it as another excuse).

yeah well I see that, just ignore them.

 

I wasn't really quoting you, sort of, but since you agreed with someone who IS saying that bethesda is WRONG, in caps and all, well that's just how it goes innit.

 

A good moan is in order about the chargen. It's a bit bland on it's own merits that is for sure. The thing that is probably most disconcerting is that, if the actual morph shapes are editbale, which afaik they are with the right skills, ie you can change any nose shape, the actual number allowed in the chargen might be a hardcoded limit. These things tend be locked up in the exe, we'll have to see about that.

 

I'll poke around and see what I can find.

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All people want is more options, hardly a strange position to take on a modding site. Skyrims chargen options are woeful, you can't do much with a few pre built parts, it's like playing with Mr Potato Head.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for more options, yeah I'm not really impressed with the Skyrim Chargen. I'm just not entitled to them like some other people...

 

@pavy. Sorry then, I take it back.... you are not entitled to an opinion...?

We are all, but im getting tired that while we are talking about simple features we miss, becouse this is a discussion, we are getting bashed all the time with post filled with excuses...im all up for a good discussion about pros and cons but pro people are being aggresive towards anyone who disagrees (not speaking about you, but since you qouted me and i have never said bethesda is wrong i take it as another excuse).

yeah well I see that, just ignore them.

 

I wasn't really quoting you, sort of, but since you agreed with someone who IS saying that bethesda is WRONG, in caps and all, well that's just how it goes innit.

 

A good moan is in order about the chargen. It's a bit bland on it's own merits that is for sure. The thing that is probably most disconcerting is that, if the actual morph shapes are editbale, which afaik they are with the right skills, ie you can change any nose shape, the actual number allowed in the chargen might be a hardcoded limit. These things tend be locked up in the exe, we'll have to see about that.

 

I'll poke around and see what I can find.

This is what im worried a bit about....hardcoded...well i know mods can fix it but ill be missing the sliders even then...i wonder if it would be possible to simply exchange the color sliders for editable face options.

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Umm... Use the complexion slider? My Dark Elf doesn't look particuarly old. In fact, he barely looks like an adult... Some of the options people are complaining about are already there...

 

You said it yourself, dossent look particulary old, wich means he still looks old....i want a young looking character i dont mind the shape of the face... what other options i have?

 

So, you quoted the entire paragraph, but stopped reading after the second sentance. Did you notice the point where i said he barely looks like an adult? What, do you want to be playing as an 8 year old?

 

Of course, none of what i'm saying is to indicate that options aren't good, but the Oblivion model for design sucked, IMO. The bulbous skull model they used was outright hideous, and since it was used for every race it homogenized the world and took away from the unique character of every race. I'm not going to resort to the whole "They look like Morrowind" arguement, all i'm going to say is that now each race has a unique character to them. If you think there is something wrong with that, then we have nothing more to say to eachother.

 

Moving on, however, creating a similar style of Oblivion facial creation, with 3 different skull types, would have taken a royal crap tonne of work. Aranging the skeleton with mutable articularion points and ensuring proper animation regardless of facial configuration for one skull was supposedly hard enough. As such, if they were going to take it in the direction of restoring character to each race, rather than having everyone look the same but with different skin tones, they had to take another approach. As such, i agree with the character design scheme in Skyrim.

 

I do NOT agree with the limited options presented within that scheme, but that's a seperate problem altogether, and hopefully one which can be fixed, or at least tweaked, with the Construction Set.

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I wasn't really quoting you, sort of, but since you agreed with someone who IS saying that bethesda is WRONG, in caps and all, well that's just how it goes innit.

 

So it's OK to have a go at pavy because they appeared to be daring to agree with me? That's just beyond belief. Sounds somewhat like bullying.

 

And then you go on and agree that the chargen is limited, well I am glad that at least you admit that.

 

I hope that Dracomies proves to be correct and that with the release of the CK all can be fixed if that's what people want, if it isn't, then people can leave it as they wish. You see that's my real point, with Oblivion, although the default faces were indifferent to ugly, they were sufficiently bland that the more advanced chargen sliders allowed you to put your own stamp on your character. (even with the awful vanilla textures). With the Skyrim chargen, we are more or less stuck with the presets that Beth have ordained, fine if you like them but not if you don't), until such time as we get the CK.

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