Female Dragonborns?

[stumpndum]

Alright forgive me for this but..

 

Future is looking boss if trend contenues... :P

 

Jokes aside Your obervation about how their just making the girls guy like is correct in my oppinion, look at the new tomb raider, she went away from lara croft to Nathan drakes little sister...

 

And i know this isn't the best example but look at bayonetta, shes a chick, she kicks ass as a chick instead of a female replacment of Kratos like in Heavenly sword, theres pleanty of ways to have a strong female character that isn't just a female guy.

 

And i don't mean slap a chainmail bikini on, then add a psycopathic personality and call it a strong female protagonist like hunted the demons forge, another example is the dragon age origins girls, Morigan and Liliana are perfect examples, probably should of mentioned that before Bayonetta actually.

[HaikenEdge]

Bayonetta's a parody of a "Strong female protagonist"; sure, she kills a bunch of stuff and is female, but in terms of a character, I wouldn't call her a "strong female" anything, because she's a parody of what strong women are like. Morrigan and Leliana are definitely strong female characters, as is Shepard from Mass Effect (if played as a female).

[Reddimus]

I think they improved quite a bit on the females going from Oblivion to Skyrim. They were pretty butt-fugly in Obliv, and they had no figure.

 

I don't think this is necessarily a movement toward 'being more like a guy', it's just making them more realistic characters. A girl in a bikini with no muscles isn't going to make it very far in a tomb.

Edited November 24, 2011 by Reddimus

[kitsuneshoujo]

ummm, women are weaker... Testosterone is higher in males... so it just makes sense for males to be predominantly more appropriate for warriors and any type of aggressive activity.

 

 

I would like to point out that in my ancestors culture (the celts) women were just as bad ass as the men. Their three main war deities were goddesses. There was a traditional of females teaching the men how to fight. Society was matriarchal, lineage passed through the mother. Several of the most notable celtic warriors were women - Boudicca for instance, and the Pirate Queen Grainne.

 

Not related to the celts, but in ancient sumeria, the death god was female... and the sun deity in japan (which is usually male elsewhere), was female.

 

So lets stop the women are the weaker sex nonsense.

[itsmaia]

If this comes down to the "men are stronger than women" argument, give up, there is no point in starting this again and again and again and... and im a girl, so i get what your saying but it's just a waste of time to start saying girls are stronger or just as strong, its just an endless argument.

[likeitsillegal]

ummm, women are weaker... Testosterone is higher in males... so it just makes sense for males to be predominantly more appropriate for warriors and any type of aggressive activity.

 

 

I would like to point out that in my ancestors culture (the celts) women were just as bad ass as the men. Their three main war deities were goddesses. There was a traditional of females teaching the men how to fight. Society was matriarchal, lineage passed through the mother. Several of the most notable celtic warriors were women - Boudicca for instance, and the Pirate Queen Grainne.

 

Not related to the celts, but in ancient sumeria, the death god was female... and the sun deity in japan (which is usually male elsewhere), was female.

 

So lets stop the women are the weaker sex nonsense.

 

How do the deities and beliefs of your culture prove that women are "as strong as men"? It's a fact, a physical fact that can not be disproven, and it's true for most mammals. Why does an elephant become aggressive when he enters musk? Because testosterone is being produced in excess. The same thing occurs within stags. Testosterone effects many male traits - body hair, muscle tone and growth. It also effects aggression. You know what produces the most testosterone on a living being? The testicles. On the other hand, hormones effect things like breast growth, and when a woman hits menopause, or experiences menstration, the hormone levels produced by the uterus change - altering body fat, emotions, and other physical factors.

 

Women don't grow the way men do, it's a fact that's been hard-wired in since our caveman days, when women would focus on breast feeding and rearing children, and men would gather, hunt, and protect what was seen as "vital resources". As such, women had no need to develop huge forms of muscles. Without a ton of testosterone, a woman STILL can't get close to what a man can get to in muscle mass. Physically, the majority of woman are weaker than men. Female bodies don' have the strength of male bodies. Throwing around that your culture revered women as beings of power is like saying we should worship certain animals such as cows and cats as being stronger than they actually are, simply because the Egyptians thought they represented an ideal, or power, or unseen force. It's culture, not actuality. Physically, a woman is weaker than a man because they don't produce even close to the amount of testosterone. Not to mention women are often smaller; hands, feet, height, etc.

 

He was pointing out the physical, and it's true; our science and history back it up. Women are the (physically) weaker sex.

[huntsman2310]

St Alessia was the first Dragonborn, and she was most definitely not a dude.

[rhdelgado91]

How do the deities and beliefs of your culture prove that women are "as strong as men"? It's a fact, a physical fact that can not be disproven, and it's true for most mammals. Why does an elephant become aggressive when he enters musk? Because testosterone is being produced in excess. The same thing occurs within stags. Testosterone effects many male traits - body hair, muscle tone and growth. It also effects aggression. You know what produces the most testosterone on a living being? The testicles. On the other hand, hormones effect things like breast growth, and when a woman hits menopause, or experiences menstration, the hormone levels produced by the uterus change - altering body fat, emotions, and other physical factors.

 

Women don't grow the way men do, it's a fact that's been hard-wired in since our caveman days, when women would focus on breast feeding and rearing children, and men would gather, hunt, and protect what was seen as "vital resources". As such, women had no need to develop huge forms of muscles. Without a ton of testosterone, a woman STILL can't get close to what a man can get to in muscle mass. Physically, the majority of woman are weaker than men. Female bodies don' have the strength of male bodies. Throwing around that your culture revered women as beings of power is like saying we should worship certain animals such as cows and cats as being stronger than they actually are, simply because the Egyptians thought they represented an ideal, or power, or unseen force. It's culture, not actuality. Physically, a woman is weaker than a man because they don't produce even close to the amount of testosterone. Not to mention women are often smaller; hands, feet, height, etc.

 

He was pointing out the physical, and it's true; our science and history back it up. Women are the (physically) weaker sex.

 

Jesus fuu, if you are gonna troll atleast get the name right, its estrogen!!!!! testosterone and estrogen are both hormones.

Edited November 24, 2011 by rhdelgado91

[Sharp843]

Although it's been noted that there were female dragonborns..

 

I just assumed it was like ancient Rome, where they name all their daughters the same name even if they have eight.

[Lehcar]

Alright a bit off topic then back on, Historicly men have been stronger then women, hence all the wars being faught by the muscle bound meatheads. But as Lechar mentioned this is goddamned fantasy! if theres a 6 foot green man next to you reality tends to been thrown out the window!

 

More off topic, I think the birth rates in men is actually higher, it makes sence from an evelutionary standpoint, hunter's tend to get more mauled more often then others, and hunter's were i think almost entirly men, plus factor in all the wars we've had and the need for more male births becomes obvious to me, someone mentioned to me the posibility of plauge, etc leveling the playing field but plauges, etc kill everyone equily.

 

That is the one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. No - naturally, it's totally 50/50. The male's gamete is what determines the sex of the offspring. He produces an equal 50/50 amount of gametes, half containing an X chromosome (leading to female offspring) and the other half a Y chromosome (leading to male offspring). The balance really only gets thrown off when people purposely disrupt it, i.e sex-selective abortions.

 

 

I think, statistically, it might be a bit more likely to have a male Dragonborn. I've seen enough people get upset over the "strong Nord women" thing in Whiterun, so I don't think it would have been very relateable for the lore or the player for the game to praise some amazing female hero. Dragonborn or not, it's not entirely realistic. The lore of TES is weird enough with Daedric Princes who are actually female, but referred to still as Princes. However, beyond the whole "men of legends" s***, men and women both are very prevalent in the armies of Skyrim. Half the Thalmor you meet are women, and the Thalmor are supposed to be one of the most powerful forces in Tamriel, at least when it comes to mortals.

 

Physically, woman are weaker. Women's bodies are actually built pretty well in the legs and thighs, but still, physically, our muscles don't work the way a the muscles on a man do. Our bodies produce hormones, while a man produces testosterone. It's the same for pretty much every living thing on Earth, so the excuse that "because it's fantasy," doesn't really work. An Orc woman might beat out a human, regardless of gender, but an orc man is even stronger. It's a physical thing; women were built to nurture, men to protect his resources - women, children, etc. That's how it worked at the very start of humanity, and hell, we haven't moved very far off.

 

Edit: Stump, actually, the Y chromosome has slowly been decreasing in birth rates, which means more and more girls are being born. Some actually blame this on how dependent our diets are on foods modified with hormones. I think the current state of the population is 55.6% females? But that may be way off.

 

Uhh... testosterone IS a hormone. And actually, the excuse that "it's fantasy" DOES work because... it's fantasy, not reality, it's make-believe and therefore we use our imaginations. "Rules" of reality do not apply to fantasy, so human physiology doesn't have to be applied to make believe people and creatures. In this world of make believe an Orc woman can very well be as strong as a man - same with Khajiits, Argonias, the whole lot of them. But even in real life a woman could easily be as strong as any man if she has the motivation to work at it. You should meet a friend of mine - she's in the military, and she's ludicrously strong in both upper and lower body. She can bench press 300 pounds and can best almost any man in a wrestling match.

 

And no, that really isn't true. The Y is small, but it has not "lost" and genes at least since we diverged from chimpanzees millions of years ago.

 

 

ummm, women are weaker... Testosterone is higher in males... so it just makes sense for males to be predominantly more appropriate for warriors and any type of aggressive activity.

 

 

I would like to point out that in my ancestors culture (the celts) women were just as bad ass as the men. Their three main war deities were goddesses. There was a traditional of females teaching the men how to fight. Society was matriarchal, lineage passed through the mother. Several of the most notable celtic warriors were women - Boudicca for instance, and the Pirate Queen Grainne.

 

Not related to the celts, but in ancient sumeria, the death god was female... and the sun deity in japan (which is usually male elsewhere), was female.

 

So lets stop the women are the weaker sex nonsense.

 

How do the deities and beliefs of your culture prove that women are "as strong as men"? It's a fact, a physical fact that can not be disproven, and it's true for most mammals. Why does an elephant become aggressive when he enters musk? Because testosterone is being produced in excess. The same thing occurs within stags. Testosterone effects many male traits - body hair, muscle tone and growth. It also effects aggression. You know what produces the most testosterone on a living being? The testicles. On the other hand, hormones effect things like breast growth, and when a woman hits menopause, or experiences menstration, the hormone levels produced by the uterus change - altering body fat, emotions, and other physical factors.

 

Women don't grow the way men do, it's a fact that's been hard-wired in since our caveman days, when women would focus on breast feeding and rearing children, and men would gather, hunt, and protect what was seen as "vital resources". As such, women had no need to develop huge forms of muscles. Without a ton of testosterone, a woman STILL can't get close to what a man can get to in muscle mass. Physically, the majority of woman are weaker than men. Female bodies don' have the strength of male bodies. Throwing around that your culture revered women as beings of power is like saying we should worship certain animals such as cows and cats as being stronger than they actually are, simply because the Egyptians thought they represented an ideal, or power, or unseen force. It's culture, not actuality. Physically, a woman is weaker than a man because they don't produce even close to the amount of testosterone. Not to mention women are often smaller; hands, feet, height, etc.

 

He was pointing out the physical, and it's true; our science and history back it up. Women are the (physically) weaker sex.

 

Yeah, no, you're being extremely close minded and clearly have not studied what you are talking about in any depth. Early human women did not just sit around all day doing absolutely nothing but raising kids - they too would forage and hunt and make stone tools, etc. Do you honestly think males could have managed every little thing on their own? No, they couldn't have. In a small, isolated tribal community, each and every person has to do a share of the physical work in order to survive. In regards to physical strength, men dominate in upper body, but women completely dominate in lower body strength. Each comes with its own uses and advantages in any environment, and every individual is perfectly capable of any sort of physical activity if they take the initiative to do so. You should study anthropology; you'll really learn a lot.

 

It was by no means physical strength that got the human race to where we are. It's a pretty mundane thing, really: just look at orangutans... they're just an average intelligence primate like any other, even though they are many times stronger than any human being and could tear and adult man to pieces. (heck, it wasn't even our brains that got us to where we are: it was our ability to adapt to different and changing environments)

 

But whatever, I don't really care because this IS NOT what my post was about at ALL and I'd like for it to stop. It's a video game and I was asking a simple question about lore. Chill.