Pingonaut Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 but your the last dragonborn and you have the support of the blades, companions, DB and so on.(although they dont have much power outside skyrim but having their support can help you conquer skyrim and have a firm foothold from there) so i think ib the next part you will be trying to end the conflict and unit tamriel. and for this cause i say joining stromcloacks would help you more to be this warrior who comes, conquers and unite. like talos or reman cyrodiil.By joining the Empire you're doing just that. You're not only uniting Skyrim but all of Tamriel, in the long-run. Because Skyrim is a huge part of the Empire's stability. If you remove the rebels from Skyrim and focus on the Thalmore (with Dovahkiin on your side) the Empire could win. It could work the same with with the Stormcloaks, but then again a divided empire is easy to conquer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribblesix Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 By joining the Empire you're doing just that. You're not only uniting Skyrim but all of Tamriel, in the long-run. Because Skyrim is a huge part of the Empire's stability. If you remove the rebels from Skyrim and focus on the Thalmore (with Dovahkiin on your side) the Empire could win. It could work the same with with the Stormcloaks, but then again a divided empire is easy to conquer. Some thoughts: you are always going to have trouble in Skyrim with rebellious natives, either through monetary (empire taking silver ect) or religious unrest. So the Empire will always have to station a large army there, that is very expensive. If Skyrim ceded that need is revoked, though the empire might potentially have to station significant forces along skyrims borders these might well be cheaper than an occupying force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingonaut Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 By joining the Empire you're doing just that. You're not only uniting Skyrim but all of Tamriel, in the long-run. Because Skyrim is a huge part of the Empire's stability. If you remove the rebels from Skyrim and focus on the Thalmore (with Dovahkiin on your side) the Empire could win. It could work the same with with the Stormcloaks, but then again a divided empire is easy to conquer. Some thoughts: you are always going to have trouble in Skyrim with rebellious natives, either through monetary (empire taking silver ect) or religious unrest. So the Empire will always have to station a large army there, that is very expensive. If Skyrim ceded that need is revoked, though the empire might potentially have to station significant forces along skyrims borders these might well be cheaper than an occupying force.Then they'd lose Skyrim to the Thalmore, giving the Thalmore one more conquer. It'd only get them closer to taking all of Tamriel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribblesix Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) [Then they'd lose Skyrim to the Thalmore, giving the Thalmore one more conquer. It'd only get them closer to taking all of Tamriel. Who and how? Skyrim is on the opposite side of the world to the Summerset Isles http://images.uesp.net/thumb/c/c3/TamrielMap.jpg/800px-TamrielMap.jpg It's pretty much impossible for the Aldermeri to attack Skyrim without first taking Cyrodiil or Hammerfell. Edited February 11, 2012 by Scribblesix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlekseyRaukov Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 By joining the Empire you're doing just that. You're not only uniting Skyrim but all of Tamriel, in the long-run. Because Skyrim is a huge part of the Empire's stability. If you remove the rebels from Skyrim and focus on the Thalmore (with Dovahkiin on your side) the Empire could win. It could work the same with with the Stormcloaks, but then again a divided empire is easy to conquer. Some thoughts: you are always going to have trouble in Skyrim with rebellious natives, either through monetary (empire taking silver ect) or religious unrest. So the Empire will always have to station a large army there, that is very expensive. If Skyrim ceded that need is revoked, though the empire might potentially have to station significant forces along skyrims borders these might well be cheaper than an occupying force. Actually no! Skyrim has been alongside Cyrodil of course most loyal part of all three Empires before this whole Stormcloak treason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlekseyRaukov Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 By joining the Empire you're doing just that. You're not only uniting Skyrim but all of Tamriel, in the long-run. Because Skyrim is a huge part of the Empire's stability. If you remove the rebels from Skyrim and focus on the Thalmore (with Dovahkiin on your side) the Empire could win. It could work the same with with the Stormcloaks, but then again a divided empire is easy to conquer. Some thoughts: you are always going to have trouble in Skyrim with rebellious natives, either through monetary (empire taking silver ect) or religious unrest. So the Empire will always have to station a large army there, that is very expensive. If Skyrim ceded that need is revoked, though the empire might potentially have to station significant forces along skyrims borders these might well be cheaper than an occupying force. Actually no! Skyrim has been alongside Cyrodil of course most loyal part of all three Empires before this whole Stormcloak treason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RighthandofSithis Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) By joining the Empire you're doing just that. You're not only uniting Skyrim but all of Tamriel, in the long-run. Because Skyrim is a huge part of the Empire's stability. If you remove the rebels from Skyrim and focus on the Thalmore (with Dovahkiin on your side) the Empire could win. It could work the same with with the Stormcloaks, but then again a divided empire is easy to conquer. Some thoughts: you are always going to have trouble in Skyrim with rebellious natives, either through monetary (empire taking silver ect) or religious unrest. So the Empire will always have to station a large army there, that is very expensive. If Skyrim ceded that need is revoked, though the empire might potentially have to station significant forces along skyrims borders these might well be cheaper than an occupying force. Actually no! Skyrim has been alongside Cyrodil of course most loyal part of all three Empires before this whole Stormcloak treason! Just to be a smart ass. Skyrim was it's own independent Empire at the time of Alessia. And was the strongest of the two human powers. I think the Akaviri conquered Skyrim (or much of it) before Reman drove them back. (it would be logical to conclude that the conquered lands would have been given to Reman). And they briefly went to war with Talos (Before they found out that he was the hero of man). Edited February 11, 2012 by RighthandofSithis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurosu93 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 when the thing is the game makes sure u hate both of them.u start an imperial prisoner and the prologue definately shows the empire like the bad guys : want to kill you and that horse thief from rorikstead just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.also if you listen to nords or stormcloaks they make you believe that imperials are the pawns of thalmor while they liberate skyrim.well here is the real thing : the thalmor made the empire surrender and demanded not to workship Talos ( the nords of skyrim main god if i got it right) SO they KNEW the was was going to happen.their goal was to let the stormcloaks weaken the empire all the time so they take over skyrim as well.i read the thalmor dossier on ulfrik and it says that they want him to continue the was ( the way they talk about him is like he is the perfect pawn for em).BUT they say they want to avoid the stormcloak victory.still if ulfrik destroys tulius they have a clear shot on skyrim.someone here said thats imposible cause skyrim is away and they need to go through cyrodil.if i understood game right cyrodil is already in thalmor control ( but i aint sure).plus the stormcloaks are just for nords.did you see the dark elves on winterhelm?? they are treated like s**t.same as all races who aint nord.plus ulfrik just wants the power for himslef.u can see it if u do the stormcloaks missions ( i was an idiot who joined em on my first character who was a nord) where it becomes clear that he just wants the throne while he talks with that guy who is his second in command.also (SPOILER HERE) if u do the treaty in main quest u realise his true nature.it goes like this.greybeard : lets discuss this truce negotiation.ulfrik : get the thalmor out of this room!!! ( ok lets say he might be right here)then he says : ok give me markath or no treaty!!!!yeah so much about him caring for skyrim dragons are about to slay em all and he cares about the civil war!!! i stand for the empire they may not be the saints of the game ( plus i dont like the emperor so i slay him even after i do the imperial quests in the war) but they want a tamriel with peace and not a racist race ruling any land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorch621 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 [Then they'd lose Skyrim to the Thalmore, giving the Thalmore one more conquer. It'd only get them closer to taking all of Tamriel. Who and how? Skyrim is on the opposite side of the world to the Summerset Isles http://images.uesp.net/thumb/c/c3/TamrielMap.jpg/800px-TamrielMap.jpg It's pretty much impossible for the Aldermeri to attack Skyrim without first taking Cyrodiil or Hammerfell. Not really...just go along the coast of High rock at the top until you reach the docks of Solitude... Anyway, I support the Imperials through and through...When I first started Skyrim I chose the Stormcloaks, one because they wore pants and two because I did some reading prior and discovered the Thalmor beat the Empire into submission...as I kept playing, completed the Stormcloak campaign, disregarded the racism in windhelm and the markarth incident.But when you go to Castle Dour and defeat Tullius, he says that the Empire aren't the bad guys, and that this is exactly what the Thalmor wanted...It suddenly didnt feel right being a Stormcloak, Tullius was right...The Empire arent the bad guys, They're just stuck in a very difficult situation and are trying their hardest to get out of it, plus the Dossier you read on Ulfric by the Thalmor in their embassy, tells us the Thalmor consider him a dormant intelligence asset. The Dossier also says the Thalmor were going to intervene in Ulfrics Execution at Helgen, that's why they were there!explain how they don't put Ulfric's head on the block first...he's the most dangerous one there.In my opinion if there was no dragon, The Thalmor would have escorted Ulfric away and said they were going execute him for heresy...but what they would have done, was let Ulfric go...Why? because like the Dossier says...he's an asset... And dont give me the, "If Ulfric wins he'll kick out the Thalmor from Skyrim"...yes I agree, and I'll applaud him for getting rid of as many Thalmor as possible,but all that will do is piss them off, the Thalmor consider a Stormcloak Victory bad yes, only because it means they will have to spend resources invading Skyrim themselves and lets face it...they would kill or enslave every human in Skyrim if that happened... The Imperials have a plan...even in the Dark Brotherhood quests, The Emperor lets you kill him...I think its because he knows its time for Tamriel to have a new Emperor...someone who will stand up to the Thalmor...someone like, The Dragonborne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubjectProphet Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 1) NO MORE QUOTES PLEASE!!!! You hit my loading times here. I need to suggest a limitation on quotes..... 2) The Empire is weak and do not need to be supported. The Stormcloaks will free Skyrim. Then every other province needs to follow. 3) The Dominion is evil if you didn't know that, Bethesda made lore that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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