StormHammer81 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) @Kayyyleb Correct. Another example. Well, after all they're the lesser races, you know. Not like Orcs and Snow-Elves lived in Skyrim first. Nords came from Atmora but *somehow* they also "originally came from" Skyrim. And then, if you're not a Stormcloak, then you're also not a true son/daughter of Skyrim. Yep. It all makes sense now. Good talk. :biggrin: Edited February 22, 2013 by StormHammer81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighkingUlfricStormcloak Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Being in a land after two to three generations makes it your homeland. My parents moved here from Sweden yet I think of the U.S. as my homeland. After all I enlisted to defend her. I just think that the Nords are natives of Skyrim. Well I dont think so, its fact. The ProdoNords or whatever they are called are the Natives of Atmora. The Nords are natives of Skyrim but their ancestors are not however. My example is only slightly relevant. My homeland in a sense of science is indeed Sweden but I have never been there and have no true love for it, it tells me that my home is here. (Alaska). Although I'm originally from Oregon. Im not trying to give my life story. Sorry haha. The segregation of the Dunmer in Windhelm is on their own accord really, they dont do anything to help themselves. The Mexicans (I have no problem with) in my hometown live in trailer parks by themselves and I once asked a girlfriend why. She told me that there they know everyone, they have their own cultural ghetto there. Ghetto being a racially separated slum or neighborhood. So its by choice. Granted not every latino lives there but a majority do. And they almost prefer it. I just wish that people would understand that the Nords love their homeland and will die to defend it. I like to think I would do the same. I'm stationed in Alaska right now and hope to be deployed to Afghanistan soon. 501st infantry. (F*ck yeah!) I want to fight America's enemies on there turf not my own. I wouldn't, couldn't, stand to see my home be burned or harmed in anyway. So I can relate to the Nords in that sense. Also when it comes to the worship of Talos. I'm a pagan, I grew up worshiping several gods. It's the way I was raised. My parents want me to carry on that tradition. I respect that and will do as they wish. Tradition is extremely important to my father. And his father was pagan and so on. The Nords are the same way. Their pantheon is a pagan based pantheon where they worship several gods. Like Talos, Thor is the god of battle. (Thor is thunder and battle Talos is war and governing.) The Norse people fought the Christian invasion while wearing the amulet of Thor, Mjolnir, Thor's hammer, around their neck as they fought. Talos's amulet is a sword (any similarities?). The Christians were only able to make the Norse people truly understand the religion by writing the lore of it themselves. Thats right, Christians wrote the lore of the Norse culture, granted not all of it but Ragnorook to be specific. Ragnorook is the end of days to the Norse people where the earth is submerged in flames and war. The gods die and two human survivors repopulate the planet. Adam and Eve. The remaining god is known only as "God" thus the end of paganism gives birth to Christianity. I still carry on the tradition of paganism in my family. My ancestors have died for it so I shall carry it with pride. But America is my homeland and i'll die for her as well. The Nords feel extremely more strongly about this than I do. So even if your not pagan or even religious you just need to understand where we are coming from. It's apart of us, each of us to belong to something greater than ourselves. Mine is paganism and the U.S. Army. Find what yours is and love it. Fight for it, honor it and hold all that is sacred to you safe from harm. Thats the code I live by. I live by honesty and love. Thats why I side with the Stormcloaks. Skyrim to me isnt my world but the code they represent is. Talos is the embodiment or reincarnation of Lorkhan, the patron god of mankind. So by seeking to eradicate the worship of Talos the elves seek to undermine the very true existence and beginning of mankind in general. Which is the very reason why the Nords fight to see to it that he stay an Aedra because he is. He is known as Shezarr, the missing god to the Imperials. He created mankind and rules the Nordic realm of Sovngarde as Shor, Ysmir and as the Dovahkiin on Nirn. Edited February 22, 2013 by Stormcloak117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 What makes people think the "Skyrim is for the Nords" comment is exclusive only to specific races? Ever think for a second it applies to the Imperials who sold out Skyrim? People sure are quick to pull the race card in todays day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screendrop Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Point is that Stormcloaks are fools (Skyrim would be instantly overrun by the AD) and Imperial Leigon is totally incapable of standing up against the AD, or in fact even a Rebellion in their own territory, thus the greater opinion would be that the Imperial Leigon has lost their relevance in current day climate, perhaps a new power aught to take the reins? (New Era?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screendrop Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 @Kayyyleb Correct. Another example. Well, after all they're the lesser races, you know. Not like Orcs and Snow-Elves lived in Skyrim first. Nords came from Atmora but *somehow* they also "originally came from" Skyrim. And then, if you're not a Stormcloak, then you're also not a true son/daughter of Skyrim. Yep. It all makes sense now. Good talk. :biggrin:I Think the point Nords are making when they say they are from Atamora but originally from Skyrim is that while they hold their roots in Atamora, they also hold spiritual roots in Skyrim as the time period they have spent there has infact ceeded that of their memory as to replace, in their minds, the true hub of their axiomatal existance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RighthandofSithis Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Point is that Stormcloaks are fools (Skyrim would be instantly overrun by the AD) and Imperial Leigon is totally incapable of standing up against the AD, or in fact even a Rebellion in their own territory, thus the greater opinion would be that the Imperial Leigon has lost their relevance in current day climate, perhaps a new power aught to take the reins? (New Era?) Wishful thinking. Hitler was meant to instantly overrun Russia. Epic fail. And Hitler had access to modern technologies, allowing him to utilise modern tactics, and didn't have to cross steep and narrow mountain passes to enter the USSR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screendrop Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Point is that Stormcloaks are fools (Skyrim would be instantly overrun by the AD) and Imperial Leigon is totally incapable of standing up against the AD, or in fact even a Rebellion in their own territory, thus the greater opinion would be that the Imperial Leigon has lost their relevance in current day climate, perhaps a new power aught to take the reins? (New Era?) Wishful thinking. Hitler was meant to instantly overrun Russia. Epic fail. And Hitler had access to modern technologies, allowing him to utilise modern tactics, and didn't have to cross steep and narrow mountain passes to enter the USSR.True, true, but it has been mused by both Bethsda and also most gamers that the AD would have the capability to wipe out the Empire (Pre White Gold), whats to say that they would no be able to equally wipe out Skyrim, I would suggest even perhaps it may even be easier for the AD to take Skyrim... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kradus Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) The Nords feel extremely more strongly about this than I do. So even if your not pagan or even religious you just need to understand where we are coming from. It's apart of us, each of us to belong to something greater than ourselves. Mine is paganism and the U.S. Army. Find what yours is and love it. Fight for it, honor it and hold all that is sacred to you safe from harm. Thats the code I live by. I live by honesty and love. Thats why I side with the Stormcloaks. Skyrim to me isnt my world but the code they represent is. The thing is, if all nords had that nationalist attitude, Skyrim would be independent by now. You can't generalise in that stormcloak = Skyrim fashion. As a stormcloak, you're meant to impose your will not only on your own people, but on the rest of the empire as well, because the consequences of the rebelion will be felt everywhere. Many nords see this. Edited February 22, 2013 by kradus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aklis Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Point is that Stormcloaks are fools (Skyrim would be instantly overrun by the AD) and Imperial Leigon is totally incapable of standing up against the AD, or in fact even a Rebellion in their own territory, thus the greater opinion would be that the Imperial Leigon has lost their relevance in current day climate, perhaps a new power aught to take the reins? (New Era?) Wishful thinking. Hitler was meant to instantly overrun Russia. Epic fail. And Hitler had access to modern technologies, allowing him to utilise modern tactics, and didn't have to cross steep and narrow mountain passes to enter the USSR.True, true, but it has been mused by both Bethsda and also most gamers that the AD would have the capability to wipe out the Empire (Pre White Gold), whats to say that they would no be able to equally wipe out Skyrim, I would suggest even perhaps it may even be easier for the AD to take Skyrim... I'm hoping that the Dragonborn plays into the politics of Tamriel in the lore that follows Skyrim. As in, no matter which faction the Dragonborn supports in Skyrim, he/she unifies Skyrim and, backed by the Dragons and at least drives the Thalmor out of Skyrim. Wishful thinking, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighkingUlfricStormcloak Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Bethesda makes it a point that your character never actually gains power. Your character will never take the throne as people seem to think. Correction of earlier, Rangarok not Ragnorook. Sorry I was tired. If the Ad could take Tamriel so easily then why havent they? If the capability is there then why waste time and allow for the thing you hate to exist even longer than need be. The AD cant just simply steam roll over Skyrim like people seem to think. After all it was the Nords that destroyed the AD's army in Cyrodiil easily and with minimal losses. Edited February 22, 2013 by Stormcloak117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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